“The resolution is clearly working,” said Corey A. Stewart (R-At Large), chairman of the Prince William Board of County Supervisors. “It is driving down the non-English-speaking portion of the schools and saving us millions of dollars. They’re going to other jurisdictions and costing them money.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/27/AR2008042702432.html?hpid=topnews

So, Corey finally speaks his mind!  How does he know who is “illegal” and who is “legal”?   But one thing we know for sure, we sure are happy to be rid of THOSE children!

How does he factually arrive at his number of saving millions?  Has the school system given him that number of 6 million saved, or wait, let me just throw this nugget out, maybe, just maybe, it was his buddy Greg whispering in his ear.  

What I wonder is though, why isn’t Corey also taking responsibility for the added financial stress this county is in compared to surrounding counties?  I guess all these families must have been homeless and never bought any good or services in Prince William.  

48 Thoughts to “Finally, Corey speaks his heart, it’s about ethnicity, NOT illegal”

  1. WhyHereWhyNow

    Okay, I’ve given up on defending Corey. But what he’s saying that the number of non-English speaking students is probably related to the number of undocumented parents in the area. I don’t think he has anything against the kids, since most of them were citizens, it would be just un-American to be against the kids.

    He’s just saying that their being gone means the parents are gone, and the parents are illegal. Probable cause to believe they are anyway.

    He has been infected somewhat by prejudice because of the company he keeps, but he certainly DID NOT SET OUT to target minority children. As I’ve said, you make certain allowances when trying to win in November, but in April, I just don’t understand why he is still using Gospel Greg as his Karl Rove. Jeeze, at least if he hired Greg as Chief of Staff we’d have SOME way of holding Corey accountable for Greg’s hate-mongering tactics.

  2. Do the Right Thing

    “It’s silly for Mr. Stewart to refer to any jurisdiction as a ‘sanctuary county,’ ” Connolly said. “That’s just inflammatory and demagogic.”

    Stewart is a complete idiot. Who in their right mind would support the “side” that Robert Duecaster is on, but not Dr. Stephen Fuller? And now trying to put words into the mouths of the neighboring jurisdiction’s elected officials is really grasping. I’m glad Connolly had the balls to speak the truth. Here’s to hoping that Principi and a few other of our elected officials have the guts to stand up tomorrow and listen to what more rational people have to say than Duecaster. The guy is obviously certifiable based on some of the video of I’ve seen of him.

  3. Moon-howler

    I got real tired of reading BS from the black velvets and Corey so I made some phone calls to people who know where to find this stuff out.

    Some basic facts.

    There are many Latino students who are not in ESOL.

    Not all ESOL students are illegal immigrants or have illegal immigrant parents. Some are American citizens.

    Here is the link from the state that confirms the number of students and the amount of money received from Title III.

    Feds pay the state and the state gives money to the jurisdiction. In Prince William the money is sent to the schools to go into general funds. It doesn’t go directly to that child or that child’s classroom.

    http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/suptsmemos/2007/inf221a.pdf

    Before I got all in a snit I would call the county for the exact number of students who have left the county.

  4. Elena

    I am pretty sure I would choose the side with Fuller!

  5. Laurie M

    Well, the same dire “sky-is-falling” predictions were said about the workplace verification laws in Oklahoma. Seems like it working out to be good news for OK:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2008/04/22/oklahoma-unemployment-way-down-will-media-look-why

    There are several other examples where workplace raids arrested, detained and deported illegal alien workers, they were replaced by underemployed/unemployed Americans. It seems when they are forced to obey the laws, employers WILL hire Americans and Americans WILL do these jobs.

  6. Laurie M

    BTW, What is the “added financial stress” that PWC is allegedly experiencing in relationship to surrounding counties? It would seem that all of NoVA has similar issues: market downturn, transportation, attracting employers and businesses to stabilize the tax base. Tying what is going on with the local economy to solely the Resolution, whether you are for or against, is foolish IMHO.

  7. Do the Right Thing

    Laurie,

    But you are overlooking the fact that this area already has a labor shortage. See Dr. Fuller’s video, Part I. There are simply not enough people in this area to do ALL the jobs that are available.

  8. Moon-howler

    I sure hope no one thinks that 759 kids leaving the ESOL program is going to have any major impact on the PWC school budget. In the first place, there were over 1500 students added to the ESOL county roster over the summer. This is on top of the 11,200 students from last year. Less than 800 leave this year. There is still a net gain of over 700 students for this year on top of the 11,200.

    Corey Stewart probably needs to stop running his mouth about the school budget until he understands it. He is treating student enrollment like a water bill. Flat fee plus number of people. The more people you have in your house, the greater the water bill.

    School budgets work more like a home fuel bill. The more people you have in your house has little impact on your heating and air conditioning bill. It has some but the impact is minimal. The amount of students who left the program and I am assuming the county, averaged out to be about 10 students per school building. You still need the same teachers, same number of buses, same fuels costs, same books, same desks, same special programs. Those figures just aren’t going to change in a year. Plus the 10 will probably be replaced by someone the following year.

    Anyone who buys in to what HSM, Black Velvets or Corey is saying just doesn’t know jack about school budgets in a county as large as Prince William County.

  9. Moon-howler

    Laurie M,

    My problem is that the pro-resolution people are trying to play it both ways. Corey says yes the Resolution is working. Then if someone points out the 3,300 vacant houses the same set of pro-resolution people say that problem is the economy, it would have happened regardless.

    I haven’t even figured out what ‘working’ means to a pro-resolution person. I think I know but I will give the benefit of the doubt.

    I don’t think 3,300 vacant houses is a good sign of something ‘working.’

  10. TH

    Laurie,
    How about Arizona and their anti-immigrant law? They lost a lot of people who left after implementing their law and now they are coming up with the brilliant idea of importing laborers with temporary permits because in fact there are some jobs that Arizona residents won’t do. I am pretty sure that the same thing will happen in Oklahoma

  11. TWINAD

    Good point, TH! And we will find out the same thing. Employers of all types and skill levels have great difficulty in finding people in this area that can meet their needs.

  12. TH

    “It is driving down the non-English-speaking portion of the schools and saving us millions of dollars. They’re going to other jurisdictions and costing them money.”

    I don’t live in PWC but I don’t plan go there because of people like Mr Stewart. He is losing English-speaking people like me.

  13. MH:

    Coming into this school year, over 50% of the students receiving ESOL services in Prince William County Schools were born in the United States (and, thus, not illegal immigrants in any sense of the law). There are close to 800 students who have left the school system this year. Many have, indeed, moved to neighboring jurisdictions (which shows the the resolution does nothing to counter illegal immigration–it just pushes the problem into someone else’s backyard).

    Laurie M.: You’re mixing apples and oranges. The Immigration Resolution does nothing (repeat: nothing) to address workplace verification or the hiring of illegal immigrant labor. The Resolution won’t lead to workplace raids (that’s still up to ICE–the recent raids in PWC were not the result of the PWC resolution). To compare the experience in Oklahoma with the experience in PWC is misleading since the law in Oklahoma is very different from the law in PWC. I would be all for a similar law in Virginia that addressed those who hire undocumented workers. The Prince William Immigration Resolution only focuses on the recipients of certain county services and does nothing to punish or enforce the law for those who illegally hire and exploit undocumented workers.

    I was at Casablanca for the party when Mr. Fernandez spoke about the now infamous sign. While I can empathize with Mr. Fernandez and his frustration, and on a human level feel for his plight, I don’t like the wall, and I took issue with a lot of what he said that night. I don’t believe, for instance, that it is a good thing for undocumented workers to take jobs at half union wages. It’s not good for the undocumented workers who are really being exploited and it certainly isn’t good for the legal workers they are pushing aside. I don’t believe the indigenous rights argument laid out on the sign. In fact, there’s not much that I think the sign does to advance his cause in a positive way. That said, I also don’t buy into the party line from GL through John Stirrup and Corey Stewart. Immigration is a huge, national issue that we need to really step up to. Both political parties have failed in this regard, but that doesn’t mean that localities like Prince William are in the right. All we’ve succeeded in doing is pushing the “problem” into someone elses backyard. So now, in addition to the harm done to the county’s reputation (which does have an economic impact when business are looking at where they want to locate), we’ve also alienated ourselves from our neighboring jurisdictions because our boneheaded leadership is standing there saying “Nyah-nyah! We’re going to stick you a problem we created and there’s nothing you can do about it.”

  14. Moon-howler

    I don’t think Corey Stewart is deliberately targeting children either. Not for a minute. However, realistically, the closest we can get to an actual number is the ESOL program. We can count how many are enrolled.

    Too bad he didn’t pay more attention to what he said. He might not have meant it but he did say it.

    “It is driving down the non-English-speaking portion of the schools and saving us millions of dollars. They’re going to other jurisdictions and costing them money.”

    I am sure he would love to suck those words back in. He also didn’t save millions of dollars–Only in his and GL’s dreams.

  15. 1. Stewart already bragged about this before and he’s doing it again, now in more specific terms.
    2. Stewart has always barely hid his discrimination. Unless you are racist, you don’t behave the way he has by pushing through this policy fueled by hate groups. I’ve never believed it was “just political.”
    3. Stewart takes into consideration emails from FAIR, from who are not residents. THIS is how they arrived at a decision? THIS is how they support the notion that “the people in this county have spoken”? What do you think he would have done if La Raza had sent those emails? No question in my mind the rules of democracy would have suddenly changed.

    He and Stirrup need to be removed and arrested for hate crimes along with GL and his buddies.

  16. Not Me, Bubba

    “Then if someone points out the 3,300 vacant houses the same set of pro-resolution people say that problem is the economy, it would have happened regardless. ”

    Are you saying if the resolution had not passed there would be no foreclosures/vacancies, despite the nation-wide mortgage crisis?

  17. TH

    TWINAD,
    It is happening not just because of the local resolutions. Read this article on how some businesses in Virginia are not getting enough workers. Everything just because “we don’t want immigrants”
    Here are some paragraphs but you can read the whole thing here:
    http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-04-23-0145.html

    John Graham III’s crab-processing plant in Hampton may not see foreign seasonal help at all this year. With a void of reliable temporary labor, he is confronting the gut-wrenching possibility of being the Graham driven to shut his family’s four-generation-old business.

    “We’ve weathered a lot of storms, seen a lot of hard times, and we’re seeing one right now with the [labor force],” he said

    Landscaping and seafood processing are among Virginia’s many seasonal industries that in the past decade have come to rely on foreign temporary workers to carry them through peak seasons.

    Now, those employers say the federal temporary-worker visa program has become tangled in the politically charged immigration debate on Capitol Hill, where stalled progress is suffocating their livelihood.

    The government caps the number of H-2B visa beneficiaries — for nonagricultural work — each year at 66,000 nationwide. In the past few years, some workers who previously came to the U.S. through the visa program were allowed to return and not count against the cap.

    Last year, however, Congress did not renew the “returning worker” provisions of the Save Our Small and Seasonal Businesses Act of 2005 to cover this fiscal year.

    That leaves Virginia businesses that have used the program for decades fighting for the same pool of workers as new businesses across the country, though they’ve made significant financial investments during the years, including housing and transportation for the workers.

  18. notGregLetiecq

    Check out these videos of Corey and Greg on NLS.
    http://notlarrysabato.typepad.com/doh/2008/04/corey-stewart-s.html
    Looks like they inspired some idiot from Fairfax at the Virginia Conservative Leadership Conference to “raise and Army” in Fairfax just like what Greg did in Prince William. Holy crap. This is a civil war. Greg says in this video posted proudly on his channel by “FairfaxPatriot” that HSM is an army with a battle plan drawn by the military men of HSM.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uGm7nYmT-I
    Did you know that we were all part of a battle plan?

  19. hello

    TH said: “in fact there are some jobs that Arizona residents won’t do.”

    I would have to disagree with you on this one TH. The use of illegal labor has driven the pay for labor so low that people would rather do something else. If you remove the illegal work force then the pay will go up and people will want to do these jobs because they will be in more demand. Thus causing employers to actually pay a fair wage instead of exploiting these people.

  20. Not Me, Bubba

    “While I can empathize with Mr. Fernandez and his frustration, and on a human level feel for his plight, I don’t like the wall, and I took issue with a lot of what he said that night. I don’t believe, for instance, that it is a good thing for undocumented workers to take jobs at half union wages. It’s not good for the undocumented workers who are really being exploited and it certainly isn’t good for the legal workers they are pushing aside. I don’t believe the indigenous rights argument laid out on the sign. In fact, there’s not much that I think the sign does to advance his cause in a positive way. That said, I also don’t buy into the party line from GL through John Stirrup and Corey Stewart. Immigration is a huge, national issue that we need to really step up to. Both political parties have failed in this regard, but that doesn’t mean that localities like Prince William are in the right. ”

    Well said, and I agree 100%.

  21. “Did you know that we were all part of a battle plan?” Yes. GL wants war, loves war, and is looking for violence. Why do you think he uses threats and intimidation on individuals? He’s dangerous, and the sooner someone takes him in, the sooner his minions will go back to the shadows or under the rocks where they belong.

  22. yeah!!!! the illegals are moving elsewhere! eventually the other counties are gonna get ticked and enact their own resolution. I wish we had someone like sheriff joe, he’s got the right plan.

  23. Elena

    OH MY G-D! Has anyone viewed Greg and his “raise an army” diatribe? Does anyone there know, clapping away for him, that he referenceing hate groups like NUMBERS USA and FAIR? Do those people know he has been labeled a “nativisit”. Admin, we need to post this as a thread!

    Hello,
    Really, you think so? I don’t think so. But, you know what, lets try it your way, see what happens. All the economists are wrong. Let’s try that during a recession. Well, I guess you could use PWC as the microcosym test case and see what happens.

  24. Elena

    corr:referencing

  25. TH

    hello,
    Sadly that is not what Arizona is doing. Rather than raising the minimum wage, the state government has decided to bring people from Mexico. Have you asked yourself why?
    Read this:
    ” The “climate of fear in Arizona” has also caused longtime agricultural workers to leave, says Joe Sigg, director of government relations for the Arizona Farm Bureau, a statewide coalition of farmers and ranchers. In the Yuma area, where agricultural workers earn from $10 to $19 per hour, farmers couldn’t find enough laborers to harvest their lettuce crop, Sigg says. Other farmers have stopped planting labor-intensive vegetables like lettuce in favor of mechanically harvested alfalfa and wheat, and some farmers are considering selling out altogether, he says. “If the agricultural industry can’t get laborers, the land will be converted to other uses and we’ll put our food production at the mercy of other countries,” Sigg predicts.”

    I think that $19 is a fair amount for that type of job. I mean you don’t need to go to school for that. It requires a lot of hard labor though and not a lot of people are willing to do it. You think that these businesses should pay $30/
    Remember the meat-packing businesses where a lot of undocumented immigrants were raid? We heard from Lou Dobbs(my favorite entertainer, not journalist) that there were lines of American Citizens willing to take those jobs. What we don’t hear was that they didn’t last a week. They thought that all the money that they were paid was not enough that they could deal with blood on the floor.

  26. Elena

    Does it matter whether and action is intentional if the consequences are the same?

  27. TH

    I don’t think that GL wants a war but his approach to this issue is like he is in a battle. In order to face him, we have to us the same strategies: Not violence but using the infrastructures available to influence the local vote and the elected officials.
    He is right about just yelling “Si Se Puede”. That doesn’t get translated into votes. It he has been capable of organizing an “Army” using fear tactics, you can also use the “winning of hearts and minds” tactics by getting close to those who vote. American citizens need to see immigrants for what they are: human beings. Greg uses propaganda to portray them as criminals. immigration history shows that the immigration battles have been won by presenting “real narratives” of the immigrant experience. Americans need to see that immigrants are part of this country history. Greg wins with his army because he uses those “stories” that raise fear among the locals. 9500Liberty is one of those positive narratives. Think about other things that we can do.

  28. Not Me, Bubba

    “Remember the meat-packing businesses where a lot of undocumented immigrants were raid? We heard from Lou Dobbs(my favorite entertainer, not journalist) that there were lines of American Citizens willing to take those jobs. What we don’t hear was that they didn’t last a week.”

    Did Lou also happen to tell you how the meat processers single-handedly drove out the unions in the mid-west (and are currently doing so down south in poultry processing plants) to purposely replace the American unionized workers with that of underpaid, illegal labors from Latin America? Did Lou tell you about the recruitment campaigns done south of the border promising jobs to these people at the expense of Americans?

    I’ll bet Lou left that tidbit out…

    Funny, back in the 1980s Americans staffed the meat processing plants in the US…that is until their mega-conglomerate corporate employers thought it would be better for their bottom lines if they could scrimp on wages and benefits…so they busted the unions and replaced the workers with illegal labor. All because Americans expect to be paid a living wage. So spare me the line of cow flop Americans won’t work these jobs. Americans DID work them – that is until it was mroe profitable to hire people who would work for ANY wage that rivaled their dollar-a-day existence in Latin and South America.

    Feh.

  29. notGL:

    Thanks for posting the links.

    Aside from what others have pointed out about the raising an army and the martial tactics he brings up, I also have noticed that Greg has subtly dropped the “illegal” from his rhetoric when he talks about addressing immigration. It used to be he was advocating for reform to stop illegal immigration. Now he has adopted the FAIR language of talking about “immigration” as a whole and immigration policy as a whole.

    Then there’s the whole “game plan” for how to dupe people into following you. First, you find an issue (and that’s not hard, just pick one people are passionate about–what it is really doesn’t matter–just pick something that pisses off the lefties). Second, you do operational planning–how can I now manipulate my minions. Third, don’t put your real strategy out in the public eye–kept the good stuff to yourself and your select inner circle lest the opposition get wind of what you’re *really* up to. Fourth, keep the minions riled up by sending them some fresh meat via e-mail blast each time you think their interest may be waning or they are starting to see the peeling veneer. Finally, be prepared to spin, spin, spin whenever anyone–membership, elected officials, or the media–start to question your tactics or motives.

  30. Elena

    Not me bubba,
    Looks like I will have to do some research. I buy my meat from a local farmer, 1/4 cow every year. It’s raised humanely, slaughterd humanely, and I contribute to Virginia farmers.

    TH,
    I agree with you, mostly. My concern, however, is when you have someone like Greg, tapping into society’s most base fear, you may tap into aggressive feelings that only require an outlet.

    “New FBI statistics suggest anti-Latino hate crimes have risen by almost 35 percent since 2003. In California—the state with the largest number of Latinos—the number of hate crimes against Latinos have almost doubled.”

    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/victims.html

  31. There’s this one too…

  32. Holy hooey! I just saw Greg’s 6:42 speech at the conservative convention linked above. The description of the video is as follows:

    This speech was very inspiring and helped me to feel empowered rather than helpless in a community that is turning more Hispanic as a result of Greg Letiecq’s crackdown on illegals in Prince Willam County. If we do the same in Fairfax, perhaps they will leave Virginia, or even leave the country. Go to my channel page for instructions if you want to join the army to defend America.

    What naked bigotry!

  33. Whoops. Forgot the link:

  34. Elena

    Wow, Turn PW,
    Excellent summary, scary and accurate.

  35. Not Me, Bubba

    Elena:

    “Not me bubba,
    Looks like I will have to do some research. I buy my meat from a local farmer, 1/4 cow every year. It’s raised humanely, slaughterd humanely, and I contribute to Virginia farmers. ”

    Pick up a copy of Fast Food Nation. There are chapters devoted to this very thing. As for the poultry processing plants, I saw a documentary on it not long ago. Seems as if it was an African American profession, meaning that generations of AA farmers/residents in the deep south processed the poultry. To save on costs (See: LABOR) they have recruited laborers from Latin/S. America to replace the AA workers who were being paid “too much.” I believe it was on either 60 minutes or PBS. I’ll see if I can dig it up.

    It is why I refuse to believe the line that “Americans won’t do those jobs” We used to – what changed was the fact the companies wanted more profit and the only way to do it was to replace the workforce with people so dependent upon them – they wouldn’t demand fair wages, they wouldn’t demand benefits, they had no legal recourse…

    It stinks to High Hades.

  36. Ruby

    Turn PW,
    Great post! You’re a perceptive man. Perception is reality. 😉
    “Army” that doesn’t sound very grassroots to me.

  37. Jo Blow

    you guys are paranoid. too funny!

  38. anon

    Anyone who listens to that speech and thinks he is really referring to an armed force and use of violence must be high on drugs!

  39. “Anyone who listens to that speech and thinks he is really referring to an armed force and use of violence must be high on drugs!” Anon, get harassed and threatened the way some of us have been and you will KNOW he is NOT KIDDING.

  40. Laurie M

    Dotherightthing:

    Actually, my college age kids have always had trouble trying to find work here in PWC. My daughter applied at four places, went back two weeks later and found they had hired hispanic-looking people. Don’t know the legal status of the new hires, only know that it has been darn difficult for American kids to find the type of work that we relied upon to pay college bills and put some green in our pockets.

    Back in 02 I worked with a task force examining the plight of the “working poor” in PWC. One lady stated she cleaned rooms at a local motel and lived in a trailer home. She was displaced by what she stated were undocumented maids. Without even the low income work she lost to an alleged illegal, she lost her mobile home and was living in her car. She clearly wanted to work, but her employer clearly favored someone cheaper and off the books.

    I agree that the Resoluction was mostly symbolic in nature with very little teeth, but it sent an important message — that being illegal and undocumented is no longer ignored, and, yes, “papers” are important.

  41. Laurie M

    For me, the larger issue is the economic disparity between the nations in the Americas, and the rampant corruption in most countries south of us.

    Until there is some progress made by those nations, the problem will not be solved. Our efforts need to be concentrated on finding solutions to bring economic security and stability to our neighbors, not to “legalize” anyone who crosses he border without inspection aka an “EWI” (entry without inspection).

    I support the resolution and efforts to enforce immigration law. To do otherwise is to court complete anarchy.

    I also support policies which put pressure on those corrupt governments to create a climate of economic equality. Other nations have done it, so can they.

  42. TH

    Laurie M said:
    “found they had hired hispanic-looking people” Yeah, all you need is to fake that “Yo quiero Taco Bell” accent and you will get any job.
    What type of job your kids were looking for that the only qualification you need is to be hispanic looking?
    That tells a lot about the kind of education they are getting or about their aspirations (and a little about you as mother/father).
    It is great though that they are willing todo any job that a hispanic-looking people will do.
    T

  43. A PW County Resident

    I am done. I cannot stand this place anymore with the hate and you refuse to look at yourselves. All you want to do is spew your hate. In the few weeks, I have seen this board gravitate to a very low level.

    Gee, it was awful that all was asked was that we have a place to talk about solutions and a place that was accessible to all. Many people asked and nothing has been done because there may be only one solution that people here want. I am not really sure what that is–other than the arrogance of having their way.

    And by the way, Moonie–I never attacked anyone, especially the revered admin. So you can stuff your anger down your own throat. Not once did you apologize to me. The arrogance you and you friends have displayed have convinced me to listen to the other side.

    I was middle of the road and said only “let’s find a solution”. That is not acceptable to you all–it is win, win, win. “Balls to the wall?” I guess that is because I said that if you formulate a decent argument, maybe people will listen. But it is continually this hate filled diatribe about Corey Stewart.

    You all will not win because you don’t have a logical argument to give. It is only hate “in the name of love” that you rely on and hate that brings you together.

  44. Cindy B

    Not Me Bubba — the book “Gig: Americans Talk About Their Jobs” has a chapter interview with a slaughterhouse human resources manager. She says the simple fact is, nobody wants to kill cows. But it’s the people from other cultures who end up being hired more because they are the ones who can’t afford to turn down the work, no matter how homesick or scared they are. And the plant owners treat them like meat. Just as Fast Food Nation said, there are many injuries due to inexperience and repetition.

  45. Not Me, Bubba

    “But it’s the people from other cultures who end up being hired more because they are the ones who can’t afford to turn down the work, no matter how homesick or scared they are.”

    No it is these people who are recruited to do these jobs because they are so desperate. Once they’re here then they cannot afford to walk away. Americans have rights in this country – they do not. Americans used to staff this industry. Sure, nobody wants to kill animals for a living. Who’ll dispute that? But the agribusiness has systematically removed Americans from their payroll because we want too much money. If possible they would have moved all slaughter to L./S. America, like much of our manufacturing base did in the 80’s. But that wasn’t possible, so the next logical step to boost profit, cut margins is to replace the American labor force with that of illegal labor.

    “And the plant owners treat them like meat. Just as Fast Food Nation said, there are many injuries due to inexperience and repetition.”

    Yep. And with these people being undocumented, there is no liability to the companies; whereby with US workers you would have to pay workers compensation and perhaps disability.

    And it is for these reasons, I don’t buy into the “legalize them all” argument. If they were magically legalized tomorrow, does anyone honestly think they will automatically get better pay, benefits and care? We don’t do it for our own – making them “us” will NOT be the solution.

  46. Not Me, Bubba

    To TH:

    “…..
    That tells a lot about the kind of education they are getting or about their aspirations (and a little about you as mother/father).
    It is great though that they are willing todo any job that a hispanic-looking people will do.”

    What an utterly rude and crass thing to say. As having once been a college student who needed summer employment, it’s pretty difficult to get an office job whereby you’re working towards your aspirations and getting paid well. Either you work in dead-end jobs to earn some cash, or you intern in an office for NOTHING, or pretty close to NOTHING. And their need for work says NOTHING about Laurie’s role as a mother – except she expects her kids to earn some money for school – OH THE HORRORS.

    Perhaps her kids didn’t get the job because the employers wanted a more stable workforce, meaning that the employees would stay longer than just the Summer to do the jobs for which they were hired. Maybe the employers were looking for employees who were willing to work for less…who knows. But your comment on her parenting skills was UNcalled for.

    And FYI – I have heard MANY parents of work-age children complain that their kids were denied employment at the “traditional” places of work for teens for that of Latino/Hispanic, semi-English speaking personnel. Seems as if the trend nowadays is to place “white” kids in internships (lowly paid, or more common – UNpaid) and minorities in the fast-food joints, landscaping, construction, factory work….you know, the work “Americans don’t want to do.”

    Pfft.

  47. Michael

    I’ve heard this term “gospel” Greg bantered about.

    Does that sound like somebody hates religious people of people of faith enough to throw out denigrating concepts about them. That’s not racists, but its the discrimmination against religious people clause of the Bill of rights and US Constitution and US Supreme Court ruling that prohibits discrimmination based on gender, race, ethnic group and religion. The “religious discrimmination” part has it’s own unique set of hate words and hate groups against it. These are not any different than racial hate words and racial hate groups against some of a race or ethnic group not just like them.

    Do you get it? Those of you who think its ok to use the hate voice in uttering “GOSPEL GREG”, that’s like using any other hate term directed at races, or genders.

    Selective hate memories here?

  48. Red Dawn

    Michael,

    “Do you get it? Those of you who think its ok to use the hate voice in uttering “GOSPEL GREG”, that’s like using any other hate term directed at races, or genders.”

    NAH, I think people believe more in be NOT deceived, as many will come in my name…

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