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	<title>Comments on: Probable Cause Amended, United Board Takes Important Step</title>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2008/04/30/probable-cause-amended-united-board-takes-important-step/comment-page-3/#comment-7814</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see both sides slanting everything. I read both sides and come to my own conclusions about who is lying more.  In this case I think the SPLC is lying more. You cannot deny the videos, but you can slant them as is being done by both sides (9500 Liberty for example)

The truth is somewhere left of full right, not right of full left, which is where I think the stuff published by SPLC is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see both sides slanting everything. I read both sides and come to my own conclusions about who is lying more.  In this case I think the SPLC is lying more. You cannot deny the videos, but you can slant them as is being done by both sides (9500 Liberty for example)</p>
<p>The truth is somewhere left of full right, not right of full left, which is where I think the stuff published by SPLC is.</p>
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		<title>By: Elena</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2008/04/30/probable-cause-amended-united-board-takes-important-step/comment-page-3/#comment-7501</link>
		<dc:creator>Elena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 08:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,
Does it concern you that all the information you post continues to be connected to FAIR?

&quot;Center for Immigration Studies
Origins, History, and Impact

The Center for Immigration Studies was founded in 1985 as a spin-off of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Another FAIR spin-off is the Immigration Reform Law Institute, which functions as the litigation arm of FAIR, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,<br />
Does it concern you that all the information you post continues to be connected to FAIR?</p>
<p>&#8220;Center for Immigration Studies<br />
Origins, History, and Impact</p>
<p>The Center for Immigration Studies was founded in 1985 as a spin-off of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR). Another FAIR spin-off is the Immigration Reform Law Institute, which functions as the litigation arm of FAIR, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Censored bybvbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Censored bybvbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 20:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Me, Bubba, the family I mentioned had to make a real sacrifice (sarcasm alert). They had to sell the SUV and sports Beemer, take the kiddos out of private school and private piano lessons, had to end the overseas vacations and designer clothes. But they lived mortgage-free for a year. That&#039;s what flukey financing will get you...at least in that area in California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Me, Bubba, the family I mentioned had to make a real sacrifice (sarcasm alert). They had to sell the SUV and sports Beemer, take the kiddos out of private school and private piano lessons, had to end the overseas vacations and designer clothes. But they lived mortgage-free for a year. That&#8217;s what flukey financing will get you&#8230;at least in that area in California.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Me, Bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2008/04/30/probable-cause-amended-united-board-takes-important-step/comment-page-3/#comment-7438</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Me, Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;but someone I know said her nephew and his family are facing foreclosure but because there are so many foreclosures in their area, they’ve lived in their house for more than a year without making any payments. The bank would rather have the home occupied and taken care of than vacant. What a deal.&quot;

Well, I&#039;m sure squatting is a nice way to live - and squatters do a neighborhood good!

I am sure some banks would like their homes occupied, but on our street you can clearly see the lockboxes and signs in the windows.  And frankly As a mortgage payer, I&#039;d rather have those homes empty than freeloaders living it high on the hog while I work and pay my dues.  People on our street started abandoning homes about a year ago - all due to foreclosures.  Sorry they found themselves in dire straits, but such is life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;but someone I know said her nephew and his family are facing foreclosure but because there are so many foreclosures in their area, they’ve lived in their house for more than a year without making any payments. The bank would rather have the home occupied and taken care of than vacant. What a deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m sure squatting is a nice way to live &#8211; and squatters do a neighborhood good!</p>
<p>I am sure some banks would like their homes occupied, but on our street you can clearly see the lockboxes and signs in the windows.  And frankly As a mortgage payer, I&#8217;d rather have those homes empty than freeloaders living it high on the hog while I work and pay my dues.  People on our street started abandoning homes about a year ago &#8211; all due to foreclosures.  Sorry they found themselves in dire straits, but such is life.</p>
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		<title>By: Censored bybvbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Censored bybvbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You don’t stay in homes/neighborhoods you have been foreclosed upon.&quot;

Not Me, Bubba, maybe the banks are stricter here because we (general &quot;we&quot; as some jurisdictions have been hit harder than others)haven&#039;t had the foreclosures California has had, but someone I know said her nephew and his family are facing foreclosure but because there are so many foreclosures in their area, they&#039;ve lived in their house for more than a year without making any payments. The bank would rather have the home occupied and taken care of than vacant. What a deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You don’t stay in homes/neighborhoods you have been foreclosed upon.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not Me, Bubba, maybe the banks are stricter here because we (general &#8220;we&#8221; as some jurisdictions have been hit harder than others)haven&#8217;t had the foreclosures California has had, but someone I know said her nephew and his family are facing foreclosure but because there are so many foreclosures in their area, they&#8217;ve lived in their house for more than a year without making any payments. The bank would rather have the home occupied and taken care of than vacant. What a deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Me, Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Me, Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Michael - now the Latinos are subversive terrorists?  Tell me, how many inmates at Gunantanamo were apprehended via a minor traffic stop???  ROTFLMAO.

Yeah - a report from 2003 sure is relevant to today&#039;s cunundrum....

Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Michael &#8211; now the Latinos are subversive terrorists?  Tell me, how many inmates at Gunantanamo were apprehended via a minor traffic stop???  ROTFLMAO.</p>
<p>Yeah &#8211; a report from 2003 sure is relevant to today&#8217;s cunundrum&#8230;.</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Me, Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Me, Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well censored, in my neighborhood I have proof that it isn&#039;t the whites who are foreclosing.  And the majority of those who are foreclosing were/are the slobs.  You don&#039;t stay in homes/neighborhoods you have been foreclosed upon.

And FYI - the foreclosures started/began a year ago, well before the resolution, high gas prices and at the onset of the construction downturn.

But I think you said it best, slovenly people who don&#039;t give a darn tend to be transient and fiscally unsound.  Seems to me PWC has had its fair share of them and is NOW paying the price.  Legal/Illegal...doesn&#039;t matter.  But a whole lot of people who shouldn&#039;t have been given mortgages were - and it just appears that in my neck o&#039;the woods those people were the Latinos - the landscapers, day laborers, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well censored, in my neighborhood I have proof that it isn&#8217;t the whites who are foreclosing.  And the majority of those who are foreclosing were/are the slobs.  You don&#8217;t stay in homes/neighborhoods you have been foreclosed upon.</p>
<p>And FYI &#8211; the foreclosures started/began a year ago, well before the resolution, high gas prices and at the onset of the construction downturn.</p>
<p>But I think you said it best, slovenly people who don&#8217;t give a darn tend to be transient and fiscally unsound.  Seems to me PWC has had its fair share of them and is NOW paying the price.  Legal/Illegal&#8230;doesn&#8217;t matter.  But a whole lot of people who shouldn&#8217;t have been given mortgages were &#8211; and it just appears that in my neck o&#8217;the woods those people were the Latinos &#8211; the landscapers, day laborers, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Censored bybvbl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Censored bybvbl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 18:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not Me, Bubba, the overcrowding situations that I know something about have involved whites. One is a large family with a stay-at-home husband who is clueless about yard work. The family&#039;s dog is the only one running loose in the neighborhood and their driveway and part of the cul-de-sac are crammed with cars. The other concerned people who had a preference for spending their bucks on drugs and had marginal skills. The one man who worked steadily had a job in construction with its typical impacts, the housing market and weather.

I think that the downturn in construction, the interest rate increase for ARMs, the threat of the resolution, the escalation in food and gasoline costs are all contributing factors in foreclosures. People were allowed mortgages for prices and terms that any sane or savvy person would have run from.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Me, Bubba, the overcrowding situations that I know something about have involved whites. One is a large family with a stay-at-home husband who is clueless about yard work. The family&#8217;s dog is the only one running loose in the neighborhood and their driveway and part of the cul-de-sac are crammed with cars. The other concerned people who had a preference for spending their bucks on drugs and had marginal skills. The one man who worked steadily had a job in construction with its typical impacts, the housing market and weather.</p>
<p>I think that the downturn in construction, the interest rate increase for ARMs, the threat of the resolution, the escalation in food and gasoline costs are all contributing factors in foreclosures. People were allowed mortgages for prices and terms that any sane or savvy person would have run from.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 17:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moon-howler at 11:15.

Obviously you didn&#039;t understand what I said.
Minor traffic stops IS how you find these subversive terrorists.  They are usually laying low and not breaking any other laws ON PURPOSE, until they are ready to accomplish their mission. They are discovered &quot;illegal&quot; (after the 9-11 commission report investigated how they got in) at minor traffic stops, but in the past have been released with no check of their legal status until they blow up a building.

http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back603.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moon-howler at 11:15.</p>
<p>Obviously you didn&#8217;t understand what I said.<br />
Minor traffic stops IS how you find these subversive terrorists.  They are usually laying low and not breaking any other laws ON PURPOSE, until they are ready to accomplish their mission. They are discovered &#8220;illegal&#8221; (after the 9-11 commission report investigated how they got in) at minor traffic stops, but in the past have been released with no check of their legal status until they blow up a building.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back603.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cis.org/articles/2003/back603.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Not Me, Bubba</title>
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		<dc:creator>Not Me, Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;My personal experience with overcrowding, junk cars, etc. has been that I’ve outlasted the problems. People who disregard community standards in home maintenance often disregard many things which makes their financial situations precarious so they are often transient.&quot;

And could that not be a key reason why PWC is seeing an exodus of its Latino population instead of the resolution?  If you do some research on RealtyTrac as to whose homes are in pre-foreclosure, foreclosure or bank-owned you will see that the overwhelming majortity of names linked to these properties are Latino/HIspanic (My search was in Manassas/Manassas Park).  The same people who have been lumped in with the overcrowding/home neglect issues that have concerened PWC for the past few years.

In researching my own neighborhood, just my small area - EVERY SINGLE HOME that is in pre-foreclosure/auction/bank-owned was mortgaged to a Latino family/owner.  The public records are there for anyone to view.  The majority of these homes were neglected AND overcrowded (note I said majority, not ALL).  

Pretty darn coincidental, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My personal experience with overcrowding, junk cars, etc. has been that I’ve outlasted the problems. People who disregard community standards in home maintenance often disregard many things which makes their financial situations precarious so they are often transient.&#8221;</p>
<p>And could that not be a key reason why PWC is seeing an exodus of its Latino population instead of the resolution?  If you do some research on RealtyTrac as to whose homes are in pre-foreclosure, foreclosure or bank-owned you will see that the overwhelming majortity of names linked to these properties are Latino/HIspanic (My search was in Manassas/Manassas Park).  The same people who have been lumped in with the overcrowding/home neglect issues that have concerened PWC for the past few years.</p>
<p>In researching my own neighborhood, just my small area &#8211; EVERY SINGLE HOME that is in pre-foreclosure/auction/bank-owned was mortgaged to a Latino family/owner.  The public records are there for anyone to view.  The majority of these homes were neglected AND overcrowded (note I said majority, not ALL).  </p>
<p>Pretty darn coincidental, no?</p>
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