Just finished watching the board meeting and there was some confusion about whether the ICE reimbursement budget item required a public hearing or not. Caddigan didn’t believe this was a hearing item but according to Craig Gerhart it exceeded a budgetary threshold and therefore it was required. Then on the tail of this confusion, Supervisor Jenkins commented about the lack of public participation in the process which he believes demonstrates a general lack of interest.

This money is a reimbursement from the federal government that goes back into the jail fund to support any additional expenses that they might have. This is not the total cost of the program 287(g). My question is what additional costs have we outlayed that are non-refundable? My presumption is that this would be better use of our tax money than restricting services.

Secondly, according to Pete there have been 860 detainers issued by ICE and 747 transfers with 154 currently doing time. Anybody else have questions about the math?

Additionally, it sounds as if they are still not at 100% for checking the status of foreign born inmates dispite being mandated to do so? Or is the proclaimation that they are checking 99% of the time just a CYA in case something goes wrong later on?

Also, Maureen asked long ago what this was going to cost and Corey bashed her over the head for asking. Is that on video somewhere? Today she commented that ‘we’ knew this was going to be expensive. I distinctly recall some Supervisors suggesting it would not be costly.

Lastly, what has been the true cost of this initiative, not the reimbursed portion but what is the County taxpayer responsible for?

17 thoughts on “Aug. 5th Board of Supervisors Vote : Questions Asked and Answered

  1. NotGregLetiecq

    Sorry, but I would like an explanation on the math. 154 out of 860 means what? Where are the other people?

  2. “Supervisor Jenkins commented about the lack of public participation in the process which he believes demonstrates a general lack of interest.”

    Am I understanding this correctly? He thinks the public doesn’t care? What other proof is he asking for?

  3. info

    747 are in the custody of ICE. They are no longer at the jail. The 99% figure is what they can accomplish with the trained help they have.

  4. KathyZ

    When they said everybody would have their legality checked at the time of arrest, why is that not happening? Is someone falling thru the cracks of the system?

  5. Alanna

    If I understand correctly, this reimbursement is just for the 287(g) program not for the ‘Immigration Resolution’.

    And what about the silly list of restricted services, which should have started July 1st? Any word on its status?

  6. Moon-howler

    I think all are being checked. If someone is in the custody of ICE, how long do they remain in the custody of ICE? Colonel Pete M talked like the stats he was giving us were for the past year. Surely ICE has made some determination and has either arranged for a deportation hearing or turned them lose.

    There is something about all of this that just lacks transparency to the public. Am I to understand that the big bucks we get back from the feds are due to keeping illegal immigrants to the tune of $64 a day?

    How does the average person learn about all of this? I wish 9500 would do a documentary just so we would understand where the 287g program and its related money fits into puzzle.

    Thank goodness Mr. Nohe is keeping a watchful eye on all this. It is too confusing for the average citizen to sort out.

  7. Alanna

    info,
    My question is 747 transfers +154 current = 901 total, not 860. Can you help me understand that?

  8. info

    Maybe the 41 have not been processed yet.

  9. NotGregLetiecq

    This is not helping. I am still really confused….

  10. DB

    You have heard it here…MCPS is taking applications for the virginia preschool initiatve program. Date of walk-in recruitment/ registration is 08/13 at Round Elem. Hours 8 to 4. Show up with proof of city residency, and income verification and put your child on the list for a full time preschool program slot. State focus is on low income and those families living below guidelines of poverty levels.

  11. Moon-howler

    NGL,

    I am confused also. The people do not add up. Maybe he misspoke.

    I still don’t know why Mr. Jenkins acted like people do not care. Maybe he misspoke also. Was he expecting some group not to like the 287g program at the jail?

    Too bad we can’t find out more about this program. It certainly is obscure.

  12. Fear Not

    Okay everbuddy. Calm down. This budget item was not a big vote; it was essentially a pass-through. The feds gave the county money to cover some of our expenses for the 287(g) program. We do this kind of thing all the time – federal, state or grant money comes to the county and it is required before we spend it that the Board legislatively appropriate the money. It is very common, and typically the Board breezes through those. But Craig was right that this passed a threshold for having a public hearing.

    I think Jenkins may have just been pointing out that 287(g) in the jails is much less controversial than the police portion. It may have just been a justification of his vote to approve the appropriation of those funds – he would want to be sure that his supporters understood that this wasn’t a controversial vote – no one was there to complain. I think most reasonable people at this point support the 287(g) program in the jails – worst of the worst, bang for the buck, etc.

    It was also mentioned that the expenditures that we are not reimbursed for are the staffing – which is typically the most expensive part of any program or service.

    Not checking 100% of foreignborn inmates is probably a function of staff time and capacity to do the work. 99% is pretty darn good.

    “When they said everybody would have their legality checked at the time of arrest, why is that not happening? Is someone falling thru the cracks of the system?” –> The checks at the time of arrest are a part of the police portion of 287(g), while today they discussed the ADC portion of 287(g).

  13. Alanna

    Fear Not,
    Okay, 100% are checked at the time of arrest but 99% are checked at the ADC?

    99% just sounds like someone who wants to cover themselves from something coming back on them at a later time.

    Just curious, with the 287g, is the staffing of the 10 the only thing not covered by the Feds?

    And can we not now remove money from that part of the budget to say get the Senior Center in the Western part of the County back open?

  14. Alanna

    Oh, btw Welcome Fear Not! Thanks for joining in the conversation.

  15. Jedi Master Yoda

    I keep reading on some blogs…ahem…cough….that the people on Anti do not want the 287g program. This sure doesn’t seem to be the case from what I am reading here.

    It looks like all the people of Anti want to make sure the criminals are off the street.

  16. Fear Not

    “Fear Not,
    Okay, 100% are checked at the time of arrest but 99% are checked at the ADC?

    99% just sounds like someone who wants to cover themselves from something coming back on them at a later time.

    Just curious, with the 287g, is the staffing of the 10 the only thing not covered by the Feds?

    And can we not now remove money from that part of the budget to say get the Senior Center in the Western part of the County back open?”

    The new police portion of the policy mandates all are checked post-arrest. Remember though, the ADC has been doing this for longer. They have what every good government looks for – actual data. It looks like they’re trying to check everyone, and are getting pretty darn close. I don’t know all the details of their program.

    On the Manassas Senior Day Program, don’t hold your breath.
    1) The feds would find that quite disingenuous.
    2) It may have been a wonderful program, but it wasn’t performing well in terms of how a government evaluates its services (losing money, not enough participants, etc.)
    3) It’s not going to happen.

  17. NotGregLeteicq

    Thank you Fear Not!!!! Another Superhero in the Hall of Justice.

Comments are closed.