98 Thoughts to “ChZorroa Strikes Again and Again…”

  1. NotGregLetiecq

    LOL!! An infusion of Black Velvets and feigned outrage!! Did someone sing “Red Rover, Red Rover, Send the Velvets on over!”

    Very funny Censored!

    I can imagine Greg didn’t like this and sent an email to a few trusted friends, to whom he wouldn’t be ashamed to admit this stuff is getting to him.

    I can have sympathy for him, but because he is effectively the co-Chairman of the Board of County Supervisors, he is a political figure. And political figures end up in cartoons ALL THE TIME.

    Stop crying Black Velvet Red Specks. This is not nearly as damaging as the statistics that Chief Deane reported to the Board last week. Your paranoia about brown people has cost us 11 million dollars and gotten us nothing but a bad reputation and a ruined sense of community. I don’t care if you ARE dumb enough to trust Gospel Greg and not Second Alamo on how to read an opinion survey about our beloved Police force.

  2. SecondAlamo

    If you had a sense of community you would have been supporting the Resolution not fighting against it. It was the sense of community, without illegals, that caused everyone to rally around the Resolution. Totally a standard of living issue.

  3. Moon-howler

    SA,

    I didn’t get upset over the stereotypical Mexicans in the cartoon any more than I would have gotten upset over a scotsman in a kilt and carrying around a set of bagpipes. I am an insensitive lout though.

    I disagree with your assessment about the sense of community. I do agree that there were standard of living issues here in PWC. I don’t think the Resolution was the way to begin resolving those issues. It is perfectly legitimate to want to improve problems in the neigbhorhood without approving of the Resolution.

    My main issue with the Resolution is that was insufficient citizen input. The current Resolution barely resembles the one passed July 10, 2007. It caused ill will in the community and basically has done very little, mainly because the pit bull resolution no longer exists. Cooler heads prevailed.

  4. Elena

    Wow,
    I am exhausted just reading the posts. The reality is that you people…..SA, Loudon, AWC, Allison, Maureen, and the multitude of others, allowed Greg to frame the debate in the most base of terms. Us vs Them. Us being the “white” people and them being the “brown” people. I never denied that certain neighborhoods were experiencing some very serious issues, but never ever, should we allow hate and scapegoating to raise its ugly head. It is YOU people that ruined the reputation of PWC. Are you suggesting that we allow the likes of Greg and his bizarre religious rants to rule the county? Are you suggesting that Duecaster and his extremism go unchecked and poison even more of our county policy? Don’t blame us, the ones who are disgusted with the waste of money, waste of good will and waste of time, for the ultimate degradation of PWC, blame the Greg, Corey,and John show. PWC still ranks number one in forclosures, we are suffering from a serious budget crunch, and you people still don’t see 25 million dollars on this immigration resolution as wasted money? This just in, 287G was already in place at the ADC. Just like it is today. What have you accomplished? It is YOU that have caused enough damage, we are simply responding to the disaster you created.

  5. SecondAlamo

    Everyone repeats how problems could have been handled without the Resolution, but I haven’t seen one solution to overcrowding. I do remember Manassas trying to prevent overcrowding and sure enough people started complaining about rights and such, and so it couldn’t be implemented. So where are all these solutions that could have been implemented? We can’t even prevent people from hanging out at the 7-11 even after the Resolution!

  6. Alanna

    Well said Elena.

  7. Red Dawn

    SA,
    If YOU had a sense of community, you would NOT ask why used tires are sold at ( OMG) at YARD sales…..informal or not, yard/ garage/ community. ( funny side note, I know plenty with mega money that shop the way you describe, like that is a bad thing. HMMMM, I wonder why they have money.

    Prove me wrong, but when I first read your comment about that, I thought, what a A SNOT BALL.

    Here are some videos just for you my 70% I agree with friend…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1zJzr-kWsI

  8. SecondAlamo

    Good logic Elena, WE caused the problem didn’t we. Did you ever stop to think that had the illegals not arrived in PWC the problem wouldn’t have been created in the FIRST place. But of course it’s our fault. Not one tiny bit of blame for the illegals. They always skate don’t they. We should have just handed the keys to the city to them and pretended that things would return to normal on there own. How would that have happened on its own? We were spiraling out of control BEFORE the Resolution otherwise there wouldn’t have been a need for one.

  9. SecondAlamo

    Snot Ball, now that’s a new one! I didn’t even have to work very hard to gain that title. I was referring to places that actually sell used tires as a business. I mean if the tires are still good why would someone get rid of them in the first place?

  10. Red Dawn

    SA,

    After DECADES of the illegals being here, WHY NOW should we do something? WHAT do we do after GENERATIONS born as AMERICAN CITIZENS? WTF, do you think ANYONE of US can do if our Fed. Gov. is doing nothing about it….who the Frick is in control? Wake up people! Congress ( mostly DEM) is pissed that THEY were NOT consulted on the bail outs…………..

  11. Red Dawn

    SA,

    LOL!!! IF you are SERIOUS and never heard the term, SNOT BALL ( it is as old as I am and that comes from the hollers of PWC, LOL) That is what we would call snotty people. 🙂

    The second part of your question:?
    “I mean if the tires are still good why would someone get rid of them in the first place?”
    Ask the thrift stores or other organized groups… another man’s trash is another man’s treasure 🙂

    I am waving the white flag kleenex or generic brand of… 🙂

  12. Moon-howler

    SA said:

    Everyone repeats how problems could have been handled without the Resolution, but I haven’t seen one solution to overcrowding.

    And I don’t see how problems have been handled WITH the Resolution. What has it done? No one seems willing to answer that. All I hear about is THE RESOLUTION like it is the Holy Grail. Yet no one can tell me what it has done for them or how it has helped their neighborhood.

    I am not sure anything can be done about overcrowding. College towns have been plagued by this situation for decades. If you have never lived in a college town, you have outdoor bathrooming, drunkeness, loud music, boistrousness, stealing, too many cars, partying morning, noon and night, and strangers hanging about. Does any of this sound familiar?

  13. SecondAlamo

    I guess the Jiffy Lubes in the Middle East employ illegals. Can you blame the guy?

  14. SecondAlamo

    MH,

    Exactly, and I wouldn’t move into a college town for that reason. The problem is when the college town moves into yours! Hence the Resolution.

  15. Moon-howler

    SA, but how has the resolution really made things better for you?

  16. anon-100

    Elena, have we EVER met? I don’t recall EVER talking to you. (The reality is that you people…..SA, Loudon, AWC, Allison, Maureen, and the multitude of others, allowed Greg to frame the debate in the most base of terms……)

    You don’t know me and you do not know what I think. I do NOT hate “brown” people. I want what I feel is best for our country, and it certainly isn’t allowing illegal aliens in here unchecked.

    Where did you get the 25 million dollar figure? You all just keep throwing dollar figures out there and they keep growing without an explanation.

    Maureen

  17. JustinT

    Maureen,
    I don’t know who you are because I am new here. I assume that you are one of Greg’s associates.

    Question for you: How do you feel about Hispanics? Can you say something in appreciation of Hispanic Heritage? Do you agree with Robert Duecaster’s views that we are being invaded by a foreign government and that they are armed with “anchor babies”? And that this resolution is not about immigration? Those are very extreme views and in my view, paranoid and wrong. Do you think he should be writing the county’s policy on immigration? And that he should be on a committee to determine strategy?

  18. AnonForNow

    Maureen, no need to sound so angry and bitter towards Elena.

    Given the hateful things that Greg and Robert Duecaster have said, given that ADL and SPLC have classified HSM as a hate group, it’s difficult not to think that the devoted officers of the group don’t share those hateful views.

    When I hear you speak at Citizens’ Time on Channel 23, you and Allison both sound brainwashed to me. You’ve adopted a simplistic, ignorant and hateful interpretation as your own to explain away your fear, insecurity and discomfort with foreigners. When you decide to educate yourself by reading, talking to intelligent people and traveling, you will see things differently.

    You definitely don’t seem evil though. Donna W sounds evil. She comes across as heartless…with no warmth or capacity for genuine feeling. Very frightening. Perfect partner for John Stirrup.

  19. Red Dawn

    Who the hell is Donna? Not this one I am sure…..

  20. Red Dawn

    He even looks ‘ white’ …the REAL Richie vs the made for movie hunk 🙂

    Lou….hunk a hunka…sorry, I just find the irony that the real Richie LOOKS white
    http://www.allmovieportal.com/b/loudiamondphillips.html

  21. “The reality is that you people…..SA, Loudon, AWC, Allison, Maureen, and the multitude of others, allowed Greg to frame the debate in the most base of terms. Us vs Them. Us being the “white” people and them being the “brown” people.”

    Wow…I make ONE comment on this thread, which was really a question NOT directed to Elena, and suddenly it’s suggested (although not blatantly stated) that I am racist and have some sort of control over Greg (btw, if I did, I would have MADE him put my blog on his blogroll instead of asked…which he has not done). The same for Loudoun, who merely agreed with MY suggestion that our BOS is actually doing what they were elected to do, and following the will of the majority in Prince William County. Now, in MAUREEN’S case…she hadn’t even opened her “mouth” yet!

    The nastiness here is just as vile as it can sometimes get over at BVBL…there is no way that you are any different. Both sites are traveling the same low road, only in different directions. Far too many of the comments here on this thread (and often others) are strictly devoted to suggesting that only those with whom you agree are entitled to be here. There are a few of you who don’t devolve into name-calling and hate, but very few. Perhaps those few should remove themselves as well before they lose themselves by catching this, apparently, contagious disease…intolerance.

  22. Elena

    AWCHeney and Maureen,
    I am NOT suggesting you are racist. I am stating a simple fact, that as far as I have read or heard, none of you have EVER challenged the terminology or the racial undertones of Greg, Robert Duecaster, or the multitude of anonymous posters on BVBL that talk about latino’s in such vile ways.

  23. When I berate someone on a blog I do it privately by email…unless, of course, that person is anonymous or pseudonymous. Not having a name or an email address, that would impossible wouldn’t it? Of course there is one other exception to that…Jimmy Young. In his case it doesn’t matter…he publishes the emails he receives on his blog anyway, without permission.

  24. Elena

    To everyone I called out personally on not challenging Greg or Duecaster or others, I apologize, not because I don’t feel strongly about my feelings, but I apologize for HOW I wrote it. Certainly my intention is not to create more anger. My hope is that people will see how twisted the debate has become in this country. It isn’t about being against illegal immigration or for legal immigration, it’s about how we frame the debate, how we get away from language like anchor baby and parasite. I let my frustration be directed outward, and that is never helpful in solving problems. Once again, I apologize for my “tone”.

  25. Censored bybvbl

    If you had a sense of community you would have been supporting the Resolution not fighting against it. It was the sense of community, without illegals, that caused everyone to rally around the Resolution. Totally a standard of living issue.

    SA, where was the rally? At the massive BOCS meeting where actual citizens turned out and the HSM crew was vastly outnumbered or are you refering to the FAIR-generated email bomb? If it was a standard of living issue, tell me specifically how the resolution addressed anything that NS, zoning, or the police didn’t address.

    Everyone repeats how problems could have been handled without the Resolution, but I haven’t seen one solution to overcrowding. I do remember Manassas trying to prevent overcrowding and sure enough people started complaining about rights and such, and so it couldn’t be implemented. So where are all these solutions that could have been implemented? We can’t even prevent people from hanging out at the 7-11 even after the Resolution!

    I think you’d start by figuring out what characteristics of overcrowding that can be legally addressed bother you. Work vans? Maybe it’s possible (don’t know about Dillon rule implications) that PWC can tighten up what type of vehicle can be left in residential areas overnight. Too many cars? Maybe VDOT could limit on-street parking to one side of the road or give stickers to residents for two vehicles. Too much noise? Call the police. Too much trash? High grass? Call neighborhood Services. Guys peeing on the lawn? Call the police and be willing to cooperate with them in identifying the guys.

    By whining about “illegals” and claiming that the resolution is the answer, you ignore other residents’ problems which are identical to yours but are caused by citizens of this country. The resolution ABSOLUTELY does not address these problems (the identical ones caused by citizens).

  26. Loudoun

    AnonForNow,

    “When I hear you speak at Citizens’ Time on Channel 23, you and Allison both sound brainwashed to me. You’ve adopted a simplistic, ignorant and hateful interpretation as your own to explain away your fear, insecurity and discomfort with foreigners. When you decide to educate yourself by reading, talking to intelligent people and traveling, you will see things differently.”

    You must be thinking of someone else – nothing I have said at Citizen’s Time in any way reflects what you have insinuated. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion – even if it is without merit or fact.

    You should take your own advice, however.

  27. SecondAlamo

    Censored,

    You just involved many tax supported organizations to handle all the various problems, and all could ‘maybe’ be handled. Do you not think that people tried to solve the problems by calling on those services before the Resolution? Do you think people didn’t try to prevent overcrowding in some manner? Do you think people didn’t try to get the day loborers removed from the 7-11’s? Come on, this all started in Herndon with the day laborers crowding the 7-11, and you saw how long that fight carried on with no accepted solution. The board was thrown out on its ear. I’d say the Resolution has solved 90% of all those problems very efficiently, and involved very few services.

  28. Censored bybvbl

    SA, frankly, I don’t believe Herndon has found all the answers. Haven’t we read recent articles about the day laborers showing up on the streets again? Herndon’s reputation has become too tied with the Minutemen, an organization many in the metropolitan area find disreputable.

    Which problems has the resolution solved? Tease out the houses vacated by people who lost their homes to foreclosure – which has affected every segment of society. Which problems? Which agencies solved them? How did the resolution play a part – no generalities, just specifics?

  29. SecondAlamo

    The housing foreclosures are nation wide, so why did they all beat feet to another area? Are there no economic issues in Fairfax? Come on, they knew we meant business, and so they went to a more supportive county. Common sense really. The problems solved themselves when the people causing the problems left town. It’s that simple. I guarantee you that if they begin to return when the economy changes course, then the problems will once again surface. Maybe this time we’ll give you the list of problems and you can take care of them. The thing that scares me is that you will look at the list and say I don’t see these things as problems as many here have stated. They state that our ‘problems’ are just cloaked racism.

  30. –Never mind the bald-faced sacrilege of religious symbols and terminology that is depicted.–

    Well, y’all would have been more offended if the artist used white sheets.

    PWC did this to itself. And if any of you have ever seen political cartoons, then you would know in what vein to take this. Alas, I guess you don’t read the newspapers…because you see neither cartoons nor stories about people, real people, who have had to live the nightmare our beloved chair and VICE and his CLAN who have ruined us. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

  31. The Minutemen aren’t just disreputable. They are called “vigilantes.” Oh yeah, that’s just what our state needs.

  32. Fairfax won a national award for the best managed county in the NATION. Sure, it has its problems, especially because there are larger cities there. But since PWC has the largest forecosure rate in the state, we have to look twice and three and four times.

    Went to the Fimian/Connolly debate Thursday. Fimian is a business man, just like our beloved VICE is supposed to be. Fimian says we should always be prepared for the worst, and this takes planning. How much planning do we see here? Thanks, Corey et al. Maybe you should speak with your party members to see where you went WRONG and how you can FIX it. But your ego is much too big for that, eh?

  33. I’ve read Maureen’s work. I have no problem suggesting she is racist and in love with Duecaster and Greg’s intent to “repel the invasion.” Take your “frontline” and “foot soldiers” where they belong, Maureen.

  34. Loudooooon, go back and be loud in your own county. We don’t need you bringing ours down any more than it already has been by your ilk.

    Do I sound too “strong” for your liking?

    Justice isn’t always gentle.

  35. SecondAlamo

    So kgotthardt, if you’ll take a breath, explain to me why the Resolution was created in the first place. It’s obvious you don’t care for it, but why do you think it came about? Could it be that the existing county rules and laws couldn’t deal with the unusual circumstances presented by this new set of problems brought about by the illegals? If the problems could have been solved so easily as you state, then you are guilty of not having presented those solutions at ‘Citizen Time’ instead of railing against the proposed course of action. That would have been a perfect platform for your group to present all the many solutions you supposedly have, yet you chose to gather and complain. Not unlike the Dems in reference to the economy. Nancy P. is a perfect example. You had a great opportunity, and huge numbers (even if they couldn’t speak English), yet you blew it!

  36. Moon-howler

    So I guess it is time for me to say it….what the resolution did was scare Hispanics into leaving town. The time was right. House constuction jobs were drying up. Foreclosures were beginning to happen.

    I have asked and asked what the resolution did to solve problems. No one has given me one specific component of the resolution that still exists that has made an impact on the problems people have complained (and not unjustifiably about in many cases)

    So I can only surmise that it was a document enacted into local law meant to scare off those who people found undesirable. I am not sure I want that tactic to become part of county policy. It hurts the reputation.

    As for the cartoon posted above…it was funny and seemed to capture the essence of those who were behind much of the county legislation in the past year or 2. Naturally the names were changed to protect the innocent. HA!

    I got a good laugh out of it. I admire talent when I see it.

  37. Elena

    Did some forget the twisted logic of Greg explaining how G-d appointed our elected officials, and that to disobey his will, i.e. elected officials was to go against G-d? Did some forget Greg saying that slavery and war was a good thing?

  38. Censored bybvbl

    The problems solved themselves when the people causing the problems left town. It’s that simple.

    SA, are you saying the county was better off with the largest foreclosure rate in the state (with its accompanying loss of revenue and cost in grass cutting) than it was with more dark faces? Are you saying the resolution – as opposed to the national housing market – is responsible for our abysmal financial situation? Is that the one positive result of the resolution in your opinion – that we ran Hispanics out of town?

    The cartoon has me waiting for the next installment as anxiously as I await the next segment of “Weeds” or “Mad Men”. Haha.

  39. SA, I answered your questions in the post above this one. You saw it, but I don’t want anyone thinking I blew you off.

  40. anon-100

    AnonForNow, 19. September 2008, 23:41 “You definitely don’t seem evil though. Donna W sounds evil. She comes across as heartless…with no warmth or capacity for genuine feeling. Very frightening. Perfect partner for John Stirrup.”

    How do you figure Ms. Widowski is evil? All I have ever heard her talk about is the dangers of people driving wothout lisences.

  41. Anonymous

    You must not live in the county of Prince William. Ms. Widawski(correct spelling) has spoken about many public safety issues and immigration. I think you’ve heard her speak on more than one topic if you were truthful.

  42. anonymous2

    Donna Widawski isn’t evil, just incredibly misguided. Why, given the mounting evidence, against Greg and his kind, she continues to support their agenda, is a mystery

  43. Moon-howler

    Emma, since I know you are snooping, yes, the cartoons are respectful of those who have chosen to be public figures. It boils down to give a little get a little. If the cartoons offend your sensibilities, by all means, don’t look.

    Meanwhile, the person you are attempting to bully on the dark screen had nothing to do with them being posted here, so don’t even go there. Additionally, please continue to think you were placed in moderation. Actually, you placed yourself there. I simply lack the ambition to release you because your intent is not to establish dialog but to stir up trouble and to denigrate others.

  44. anon-100

    I thought this blog wasn’t censored

  45. Anonymous

    Nope, that’s Greg’s blog. Quit trying to stir up shit here. Keep those “kiddie games” on bvbl, please. Get over yourselves. If you don’t like here, then don’t visit. It’s that SIMPLE!

  46. Moon-howler

    anon-100

    Go back and re-read what I wrote. She placed herself there. No one did it to her. Please report in to her.

    You thought wrong. No one said this blog wasn’t censored. Every blog is censored in some way. For example, many pieces of spam get caught by the spam filter each day. That is a form of censorship. So far, people are not censored for their ideas. People might be banned for their demeanor. You probably are keeping count more than I am.

    You are still here. That should be living proof of the difference.

  47. Robb Pearson

    Emma, you stated (on 19. September 2008, 17:32):

    :Gosh, hello, I can’t wait to see Robb Pearson’s take on these cartoons, and how he thinks they reflect “Oneness.”

    Robb?

    In response to Emma, the messages of the cartoons, while superb in their artwork, don’t advance Oneness at all. The messages, including their imagery, are divisive to be sure, though it’s clear that was the artist’s satirical intent to begin with. And that’s the basic intent of all political satire, i.e., to utilize artistic caricature and humor (and in this case dark humor) as a mechanism for communicating dissent on a particular matter of the artist’s interest. It will be liked by those who agree with the dissent, and will be disliked by those who are aligned with the object of that dissent.

    Such is politics, a useless path which I’ve happily abandoned and choose to no longer travel. In my view, both “sides” (BVBL/HSM and anti-BVBL) have at this point reduced themselves to a non-productive exercise of perpetuating their conflict, engaging in puerile competitive blog war, and going in front of the BOCS during citizen’s time to either complain about the other’s blog or defend their own. It’s all rather silly, really.

    Having said this, I take great issue with “anti-illegal immigrant” activists such as Greg Letiecq and Corey Stewart who have embraced fear and distributed racial intolerance across Prince William County, targeting people of Hispanic/Latino descent under the unconvincing guise that they are concerned about “illegal immigration”. As I see it, the BVBL website, per the vitriole that is frequently expressed there, is simply a means for furthering the sad cause of racial intolerance in PWC. And Corey Stewart and the BOCS don’t help at all by being incubators of that same racial intolerance.

    As for anti-BVBL, I appreciate it greatly if for no other reason than that it stands out as a necessary objector to BVBL and the what it stands for.

    But my advice to anti-BVBL is that it take an entirely new direction altogether in its purpose. Be a part of creating new ground whereupon an effort can be launched to heal the community, encourage change and transformation, and be a beacon for recognizing our common humanity and for creating a Oneness in PWC which is not only possible, but also quite achievable.

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