Kristen Mack, in today’s Washington Post article, focusing on the appointment of Duecaster, has clearly connected the comments of Robert Duecaster to “Advocator.” It was interesting to me, viewing the comment section, that Advocator tried to deny he was actually Duecaster! Ummm, Robert, you already took responsibility for your comments regarding “pitchforks and shovels,” it’s a little too late for back tracking. My hope is that we can start moving away from immigration status, and really focus on the underlying issue in this debate: the demographic changes in the county. We don’t know who is documented or not, legal resident or not, but we can focus on how to help our neighbors without vilifying an entire segment of our population, the Latino community. Certainly, our country is facing an economic crisis of a magnitude that will effect us all, and I believe our collective energy is better focused on the issues that REALLY will effect our everyday lives, like a bailout of a trillion dollars! When our personal property taxes come in next year, that will be a sobering moment for all us.

120 thoughts on ““Activists Want Answers on Panel Choice”

  1. I got the feeling her husband said joining HSM is a no-no.

  2. Rick Bentley

    “We can’t tell who is here legally or illegally. But you say we should. How, exactly, should that be done?”

    Well that problem can be most reasonably attacked once we thin out the burgeoning number of illegal aliens in our community.

    Crack down on employers, make them use e-verify, and crack down on hiring people “off the books”, i.e. Verizon subcontractors cruising 7-11s for Day Laborers. Also, maintain rule of law and target anyone driving without a liscence for deportation. Ensure also that drivers liscence tests are NOT done in Spanish. Now 80% of the problem self-deports.

    Then, don’t let parents enroll kids in school without REALLY proving residency. I remember when I enrolled a child in high school here 7 years ago, before the Hispanic influx, they were more stringent about making sure American citizens really lived in a local home and could produce birth certificates, etc. Only enroll kids if the parents can prove they live somewhere, have valid IDs, and aren’t giving the same address as 17 other people. Stop providing any assistance on taxpayer money in Spanish whatsoever – don’t try to make people feel comfortable here if they don’t speak English, this is America after all. Now, half the remaining illegals self-deport.

    Now we are down to much lesser numbers and can generally assume that most Latino people we see are legal rather than illegal. We will be able to identify the illegal ones because they will be the ones who can’t get jobs without patronizing fake ID merchants.

    Ability to speak English is also a rather obvious giveaway.

    “You don’t understand the Constitution” etc. come on come on. Racial profiling is not illegal – Bush and Ashcroft were set to do this until 9/11, but didn’t. Our government actually interred all japanese citizens once and that was ostensibly constitutional. I think we are in a time of war in many ways and we need to be serious about this matter. Time to roll up the red carpet.

  3. Rick, first, you can’t use speaking English as a criteria for identification. That’s called racism. Assuming Hispanics are illegal is also racism.

    Keeping any kids out of school is illegal (and not smart since you don’t want kids running around on the streets).

    If we allow people to apply for a path towards citizenship, we have a better chance of identifying them at the federal level which is where they should be identify and screened for criminal records. If we use the “let’s scare the shit out of them” methods we have been using, identification will never work. We can’t “deport them all” either. It’s too expensive among other things.

    Illegal immigrants don’t qualify for subsidies, TANF, housing assistance or anything else people believe we are paying taxes for. This is a myth put out there by people like Duecaster who use it for an excuse to cut social services.

  4. “Our government actually interred all japanese citizens once and that was ostensibly constitutional. I think we are in a time of war in many ways and we need to be serious about this matter.”

    We aren’t at war with Mexico or any other countries except in the Middle East. Nor should we be, especially since we cannot afford it. We are already going bankrupt with the bailouts. If we keep up what we are doing, we will become what we are afraid of becoming–a poor country–and it will have nothing to do with “illegals” and everything to do with our lack of fiscal (and ethical) responsibility.

  5. Information only..

    Help Save Maryland & Casa De Maryland on Channel 5 now.

  6. HSM II. Who cares. Same old thing as HSM I. Fix this at the federal level and we won’t have these little wars anymore.

  7. Leila

    Rick, you advocate eliminating ALL non-English services funded by tax payers? So that would mean no interpreters in courtrooms for people who speak languages other than English?

    Apart from the fact I assume you mean “interned” and not “interred,” do you really think the WWII experience is something to emulate. In WWII, the government interned American CITIZENS of Japanese origin, along with non-citizens. It did not intern people with the heritage of the other Axis countries, ie. white people. It did not go undisputed then and it certainly wasn’t undisputed after.

    It is against the law not to enroll children in schools here no matter what their parents’ immigration status. Plus many of the children you apparently want to discriminate against are citizens. Finally, ability to speak English is not in the least an obvious giveaway regarding immigration status.

  8. All this time and money our charming leaders have spent on this issue, they could have been lobbying Congress. Stewart wants to go up the ladder, right? Then talk to Congress. Keep at them. He says he has spent all this time lobbying Congress but he hasn’t done a damn thing except ruin this county.

  9. Lucky Ducky,

    Do you have an answer for my question?

  10. TH

    Rick,
    There are always exceptions. Whenever a friend from El Salvador comes to visit, we speak Spanish. Among those friends I count journalists, public figures, soccer players, etc. If you see us Rick, would you think we are here illegally?

  11. Rick Bentley

    “Rick, first, you can’t use speaking English as a criteria for identification. That’s called racism. Assuming Hispanics are illegal is also racism.”

    hardly.

    “Keeping any kids out of school is illegal (and not smart since you don’t want kids running around on the streets).”

    You wouldn’t just enroll the kid and not prosecute the parent/custodian if for example the parent/custodian had no way to prove custody. Unless of course they were Hispanic with bad or no english. Two Americas, two sets of rules.

    “If we allow people to apply for a path towards citizenship, we have a better chance of identifying them at the federal level which is where they should be identify and screened for criminal records. If we use the “let’s scare the shit out of them” methods we have been using, identification will never work. We can’t “deport them all” either. It’s too expensive among other things.”

    Scare them and they self-deport.

    “Illegal immigrants don’t qualify for subsidies, TANF, housing assistance or anything else people believe we are paying taxes for. ”

    They receive benefits for their kids. They live in Section 8 housing, with someone else. Just because the drain is obscured by phony statistics doesn’t mean there is not a drain.

  12. Rick Bentley

    “Rick,
    There are always exceptions. Whenever a friend from El Salvador comes to visit, we speak Spanish. Among those friends I count journalists, public figures, soccer players, etc. If you see us Rick, would you think we are here illegally?”

    In PWC, I might. If it were obvious you couldn’t speak English.

  13. Rick Bentley

    “Rick, you advocate eliminating ALL non-English services funded by tax payers? So that would mean no interpreters in courtrooms for people who speak languages other than English?”

    you got me on that one though I think if found guilty their home country should be sent a bill.

    “Apart from the fact I assume you mean “interned” and not “interred,” do you really think the WWII experience is something to emulate. In WWII, the government interned American CITIZENS of Japanese origin, along with non-citizens. It did not intern people with the heritage of the other Axis countries, ie. white people. It did not go undisputed then and it certainly wasn’t undisputed after.”

    No I don’t want to emulate it and didn’t say we should. I’m pointing out an example of REAL persecution.

    “It is against the law not to enroll children in schools here no matter what their parents’ immigration status. Plus many of the children you apparently want to discriminate against are citizens. Finally, ability to speak English is not in the least an obvious giveaway regarding immigration status.”

    Two Americas, two sets of rules. When I enrolled my stepdaughter I had to prove our identification and had to prove custody. Your interpretation of “law” needs to be challenged.

  14. Lucky Duck

    Wackie Mackie, Since long ago you simply ignored the questions posed to you by others inquiring about your misguided”facts”, I consider you to be irrelevant to me.

  15. No really, Rick. The Supreme Court ruling says you cannot keep any child out of school. That’s why the Stupivisors and Doo-Doo Caster didn’t get their way. Someone mentioned turning over the Supreme Court’s decision instead of fighting to fix immigration. What a waste of time and money! We need to get the source of this issue fixed and stop wasting our energy on other things.

  16. “They live in Section 8 housing, with someone else.”

    Rick, if you think this is happening, there’s a fraud unit that can take care of it for you.

    “They receive benefits for their kids.” Like what? Vaccinations? Milk? Come on. You’re stretching it here, Ricky.

    Custody and citizenship are two different things. Faulty analogy here, Rick. But just for the sake of conversation, if a parent goes in and enrolls a child and says he/she has custody, the school doesn’t check it unless the other parent makes a complaint. Furthermore, non-custodial parents aren’t likely to enroll their kids in school and tell the office, “By the way, I don’t have custody.”

  17. Moon-howler

    And here is the coverage of the Activists Want Answers petition presented at the BoCS meeting last night.

    http://www.insidenova.com/isn/news/local/article/online_petition_asks_prince_william_board_to_explain/21583/

  18. Lucky Ducky,

    Wackie Mackie, Since long ago you simply ignored the questions posed to you by others inquiring about your misguided”facts”, I consider you to be irrelevant to me.

    That’s a classic ‘cop’-out.

  19. Leila

    Rick, there are not two sets of rules. There is one rule according to the US Supreme Court and that is that ALL children have a right to attend public school regardless of their immigration status or the immigration status of their parents.

    Every experience you have you appear to extrapolate to a general experience for everyone. I have a question. Do you think if your wife had shown up to register your stepdaughter there would have been the same challenge as to identification? How exactly does your own particular experience here become the blanket statement “two sets of rules”?

    You concede the need for court interpreters, and then once again you decide to be vindictive and say a bill should be sent to a home country. One, it doesn’t even occur to you that an interpreter might be required to document the testimony of a WITNESS or a VICTIM of a crime. Should the bill be sent for them too? You seem to think only a defendant might need an interpreter. It also doesn’t appear to occur to you that people can be here legally and still need an interpreter.

    You appear to want to set up a situation with the police and the courts that will work against gathering information simply because you have a knee-jerk reaction against use of languages other than English (read Spanish) in the public sphere. Yet the United States has no official language no matter how much you wish it did.

  20. Lucky Duck

    Wackie, when you answer the questions posed to you over a month ago about your faulty “facts” and your fabrications, then I’ll address any questions you have. But until then, you are, as stated, irrelevant to me.

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