Obviously there’s a lot of exuberance over Obama, but even after attending his Spring Rally at Nissan, I never caught Obama fever. I give credit to the many faithful, intelligent and kind Obama supporters who have shown a great deal of respect in presenting their candidate’s position.

I believe both candidates deserve our respect and whomever wins deserves our support.

But these are the reasons why I’m voting for McCain:

  • I have serious reservations about Obama on the abortion issue. The next President will have the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court Justices who’s influence on cases could have long lasting effects on our nation.
  • I feel uneasy that a family with two working adults could meet the definition of ‘rich’, if they earned $200,000/year.
  • I’m concerned that with the House, Senate, and President all being from the same party that bipartisanship practices will be abandoned.

50 Thoughts to “Why I’m Voting McCain”

  1. Mando

    “I feel uneasy that a family with two working adults could meet the definition of ‘rich’, if they earned $200,000/year.”

    This is going to be a VERY painful 4 years if Obama wins and I fear that $200,000 is just a feeler. Be prepared for it to go down SUBSTANTIALLY as Obama has BIG plans for our money.

    The bright side is the massive fraud committed and the rhetoric spewed will have the proverbial light shined on it soon thus turning centrists off to the democratic ticket for a long time to come.

  2. TWINAD

    Hi, Alanna.

    I had a lot of respect for McCain before this election cycle. I really did hope he would win the GOP nomination and I am glad he did. I can’t vote for him though because of the following reasons!

    I have serious reservations about McCain on the abortion issue. The next President will have the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court Justices who’s influence on cases could have long lasting effects on our nation.

    Alanna said: I feel uneasy that a family with two working adults could meet the definition of ‘rich’, if they earned $200,000/year.

    While I do follow you on this, I mean really, I may be able to be lumped in here within the next 2 or 3 years, but when you drill down to it, families earning this much ARE in the top tier of money makers in America. Do I feel like I am on the verge of being “rich”? Absolutely not, but that doesn’t make the fact change that an average family income in the US is about 1/4 of that amount.

    Alanna said: I’m concerned that with the House, Senate, and President all being from the same party that bipartisanship practices will be abandoned.

    I don’t know, I think if Obama wants another 4 years he is going to have to show a concerted effort at bipartisanship. This ship isn’t going to be righted in 4 years and he will need the support of the entire nation to continue his policies for another 4 years, and based on this election cycle…that is only 2 years away!

  3. Not Me, Bubba

    “I have serious reservations about Obama on the abortion issue. The next President will have the opportunity to appoint Supreme Court Justices who’s influence on cases could have long lasting effects on our nation. ”

    Hence why I voted FOR him. When it’s illegal – women DIE. It doesn’t stop it, it doesn’t curtail it. It just makes it dangerous, if not lethal. Frankly, I consider myself pro-life because I care if women die. It’s always disappointing to see other women who don’t care if other women can get safe, legal medical care – who prefer forced pregnancy for their fellow sisters. I just wonder though – how many, who advocate forced gestation, they’ve adopted. If you don’t like it, don’t have one. But please stop trying to employ the state to deny me my right to bodily autonomy. You can sign over your womb, but stay away from mine.

    And FWIW – McCain opposes contraception. You can’t be anti-abortion and anti-contraception to hope that both will end unwated pregnancies and end abortion. McCain – “Viagra? HELL YEAH! Birth Control? NO – IT”S WRONG.” Feh.

    Frankly, I hope the Freedom of Choice act goes through. It would end all that BS from anti-choicers trying to overturn RvW. Funny though…in my years working in the reproductive rights movement – there’s always an anti-choicer who thinks her abortion, or her daughter’s is the only moral abortion. But that’s another topic entirely.

    “I feel uneasy that a family with two working adults could meet the definition of ‘rich’, if they earned $200,000/year. ”

    That IS AFFLUENT. My husband and I both work and don’t make that – and we’re college educated, have good positions (his better than mine) and aren’t maxed out on credit. And we pay a crapload in tax. If those who are making over 200K have to chip in a bit more, because they’ve been getting all the breaks these past 8 years, who the eff cares. Boo-hoo – you’ll have to pay more in tax than before. Welcome to my world of the past 8 years.

    “I’m concerned that with the House, Senate, and President all being from the same party that bipartisanship practices will be abandoned. ”

    You mean like it was observed so well when the rethugs were in the majority?

    Please.

  4. Turn PW Blue

    Where’d the $200,000 come from? Obama’s plan says $250,000. Why are you so willing to second-guess Obama’s plan (lowering the threshold to $200,000) but take McCain at his word (when it’s been McCain who has proven himself to change course more often than not this cycle)?

  5. Moon-howler

    Overturning Roe v Wade will only return the country to a patchwork of laws. Women of means will always have access to abortion Poor women will not. NY will become the abortion capital of the nation again.

    This issue convinced me to vote FOR Obama. The way to prevent abortion is by preventing pregnancy.

    I guess it is pretty difficult to categorize the women of anti, now isn’t it?
    He wasn’t my original favorite pick but he is now.

    I thought McCain was more decent that what I saw exibited during the campaign. He has disappointed me.

  6. Moon-howler

    In fairness, I don’t believe McCain is against contraception. I have never read anything that indicated that. He also isn’t a die hard anti-choicer. However, he courted the Religious Right for votes and they will hold him to their way of thinking. People who pimp for votes are dangerous. Daddy Bush is a good example of this phenomena.

    NMB, I agree, it is a woman’s issue and I care very much about women’s lives. I made up my mind on this issue years and years ago and have not waivered.

  7. Censored bybvbl

    Just like TWINAD I thought McCain was the best candidate that the Republicans had to offer. The old McCain, that is. However, I don’t like what he morphed into in desperation.

    And just ditto, ditto, ditto what Not Me, Bubba had to say. No one, absolutely no one, should have the right to mandate pregnancy for any other woman. I’m old enough to remember friends who became pregnant before RvW. Abortions will be gotten – legally or not. It’s best to have the safe alternative.

  8. Not Me, Bubba

    Moon Howler:

    In fairness, I don’t believe McCain is against contraception.

    http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/assets/files/all_mailers.pdf

    I have never read anything that indicated that. He also isn’t a die hard anti-choicer.

    Ah – yes he is. He has voted 100% of the time against choice. The rumor that he is for choice is just that – a rumor. The fact that he put a woman’s health in “air quotes” during the debates and rolled his eyes at a woman’s life said it all.

    Censored:

    My great aunt nearly died from a back-alley because she was unmarried and found herself pregnant. The man she was with abandoned her and left her to her own devices to deal with it. She lived – barely – but could never have children after that. And I have read countless stories of young girls in “pro-life” states who have resorted to OD’ing on asprin or other medications to abort, or who – as we have seen in the news – have resoprted to self mutilation later in pregnancy to induce miscarriage.

    If you’re of the mid that abortion is a far greater problem in america than having the potential of a highly unqualified woman from Alaska be President, you have your priorities out of whack. john McCain is elected there is a 20% actuarial probabaility he will DIE in office and leave her in charge. Frankly – I would rather NOT invest in a lead-lined fallout shelter, instead of a new home.

  9. Not Me, Bubba

    Moon-Howler:

    Here’s more:

    http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/files/10_things_palmcard.pdf?source=nov08gotv10things

    He does come out and speak against BC…

  10. Turn PW Blue

    McCain has always couched his anti-abortion views in a states rights argument. His record, however, is pretty clear. He has always voted against choice. But further, he has consistently voted against women in general.

    McCain’s reputation often seems to be based more on myth than reality. The “Maverick” really hasn’t been since 2000.

  11. I might have voted McCain if it wasn’t for Palin.

    Abortion–do you REALLY think the Pres has THAT much control over it? I just don’t see Roe vs. Wade getting overturned. Too much trouble for little results IMHO. There are better ways to decrease abortion without putting it on the black market.

  12. Not Me, Bubba

    “Abortion–do you REALLY think the Pres has THAT much control over it? ”

    When a few SCOTUS Judges are looking at retirement? ABSOLUTELY. When we have a presidential candidate who has stated he will sign the FOCA? ABSOLUTELY.

    When we have a VP candidate state she doesn’t think clinic bombers are domestic terrorists? ABSOULTELY.

    When we have a candidate for President who rolls his eyes at womens’ “health” ABSOLUTELY.

    And the fact that Bush Jr (the abyssmal failure of a man and President), appointed TWO SCOTUS judges who fell in line with his ideology and that of the bible humping nuts of thsi nation – and for the FIRST TIME decided that a woman’s health was not enough of an exception for a medical procedure – YOU HAD BETTER BET he has some influence…

    Not to forget Bush called the anti-choicers as they marched every January 22nd in DC to praise them for their efforts.

    You had better believe the POTUS has some say/power in it.

  13. Moon-howler

    Pinko,

    Abso-f-ingly-lutely he has control over it. You know those dudes and 1 dudette on the the Supreme Court? They are about 1 vote away from an overturn of Roe v Wade. When Justice Kennedy is the swing vote, you have problems.

    Well, won’t it go back to the states? Yes ma’am it will. And anti-choice have been priming that pump for years. In fact, many states already have abortion as outlined in Roe v Wade declared illegal should the landmark case be overturned. In many cases that includes the tough cases also-rape, incest and life of the mother.

  14. Moon-howler

    NMB, Let’s start off by me saying I feel confident that you and I are together on this. I have been involved in pro choice legislation and events for years.

    Having said that, all the choice organizations tend to put their own spin on things. NARAL, NOW, Planned Parenthood, all politicize information because they want their supporters to vote for pro choice people, not the iffy ones. But trust me, they have their spin, same as anti-choice people do. I cannot remember McCain speaking out against contraception.

    Now why am I being as ass about this? Because as an administrator on this blog, I feel I have a responsibility to be < > fair and balanced when offering up something other than opinion. Now if you and I were out having a drink, I would go into my ‘other speak.’

    Obama is the pro-choice candidate. Until McCain needed to court the more conservative members of his party, he was rather quiet the abortion issues. The anti choice votes are there. Good paper trail, but it wasn’t his life ambition.

  15. Not Me, Bubba

    MH – I can agree with your statement. I try not to post links from them because I know the opposition rejects them – but there were the easiest on hand. All I needed to do was pull them from my inbox.

    And while it may not have been his life’s ambition – he certainly hasn’t done women any favors (and I am speaking aside from his treatment of his wives), and he hasn’t voted for choice.

    In order to nullify RvW – the SCOTUS would also have to decide that Griswold Vs. Connecticut is also wrongly decided – for it was on that decision the SCOTUS decided people DO have the right to privacy. Strip away Griswold and you can say farewell to birth control as well to the right to choose. Any POTUS who would nominate such an person is not only against women and abortion, but also our right to contraception. So many people just don’t know about this! But I’ll digress…

    His stance has however made the abortion-issue-only-voter salivate…on either side.

    Hey – have you been getting calls from the Natl. RTL? I have…those poor people who have to call me :>) They get an earful….

  16. hello

    I agree with Alanna, having too many of one party in all area’s of government is scary. It doesn’t matter which party it is by the way, Republican or Democrat. If Obama gets elected and there is a democratic majority in both the senate and congress (which it looks like it will be) then there is going to be a ton of pressure for the democrats to perform. If they screw up you can pretty much guarantee a huge swing back to republicans. I think that they will also need to keep an eye on what they get done, if they push too many liberal policies I don’t think the public will be so inclined to vote democratic the next election cycle.

  17. Firedancer

    Alanna’s description of the abortion issue is precisely why I vote pro-choice.

  18. NotAnotherPinko

    Posting as Pinko – at least McCain didn’t pick you for a running mate, as then we’d have the Socialist Label Everything as Nazi party!

  19. Moon-howler

    NMB, a few other elements went into Roe (14th amendment for one )but I agree, Griswold was the key case with the right to privacy. Griswold gives me hope because I know women will not put up with that one being overturned. Talk about rioting in the streets. Now that is getting down in Bob Marshall, the frat boys and the luv canal terroritory….and women won’t tolerate it.

    There are some very interesting corollaries between women’s ability to control their own reproduction and their march towards equality.

    By the way, I have no problem with people who are personally pro-life, or who appear to be personally pro-life. In fact, I think most of us are pro-life. I have a problem with legislation that tells me how I will control my own reproduction. I also find it odd that most of the people who want to control my reproduction are the very people who want less government intrusion into people’s lives. Now that makes no sense.

  20. DiversityGal

    According to some…

    I should be afraid because Obama has Hussein as a middle name.
    I should be afraid because he has family in Kenya.
    I should be afraid because Obama’s father was raised a Muslim.
    I should be afraid of Muslims in general.
    I should be afraid of other Obama relatives.
    I should be afraid of Obama’s former Reverend.
    I should be afraid that Obama might hate America.
    I should be afraid that he might be a terrorist.
    I should be afraid that Obama might be a socialist.
    I should be afraid of the loaded term “socialism,” even though I am discouraged from truly understanding its meaning.
    I should be afraid because Obama is a Democrat.
    I should be afraid because Democrats might get too much power (OK for Republicans but not for Democrats?).
    I should be afraid because Obama might be trying to steal my money.
    I should be afraid because Obama probably wants to take away my healthcare choice.
    I should be afraid because Obama probably wants to reward people who don’t work.
    I should be afraid because Obama wants to talk to world leaders.
    I should be afraid because Obama probably lies about everything he tells America.
    the list goes on…

    Look people, this is the message we have been receiving from those in or associated with the GOP. In many cases, these messages were either directly delivered or implied by McCain/Palin or their advisors. Some out there may think this is OK, but I think there are lots who would agree that this is fear politics at its worst. It’s no way to live, let alone no way to campaign. Haven’t we had enough?

    We were told by the GOP last time that change would kill us. Staying the course was the only option, or the terrorists would come and get us. We were encouraged to make a choice out of fear.

    If people want to make a choice for ideals and beliefs, great. However, I don’t think that America needs to continue to be encouraged to choose out of fear. If you think that means I’m an Obamabot, drinking the koolaid, or whatever…then slap a label on me and hand me the tumbler. I’m ready to chug!

    I choose HOPE! For this, as well as many of the ideals and beliefs I have, I am choosing Obama. Vote your conscience, but please vote:)

  21. JustinT

    Alanna, I don’t agree on that issue but I support you for speaking your mind and always having the courage to voice your convictions. We may have cancelled each other out at the polls today, but you are one of the most valuable people in our community. MVP!

  22. Moon-howler

    You are right, DG, and thank you for verbalizing it. Our message the past 8 years has been the message of fear.

  23. Mando

    @DiversityGal

    The problem with many Obama supporters is you assume way too much. I personally don’t fear Obama. He’s got 4 years. Sure, plenty of time for calamity, but not enough time to completely change what America stands for. We’re not Venezuela… yet.

    I don’t buy Obama’s rhetoric and I don’t like his track-record and lack thereof. You don’t redefine yourself overnight as a centrist when your past says your the liberalist of the liberals and expect everyone to swallow the bait.

    Caveat emptor.

    Most of what he says is sure neat, but I call BS. He’s that smooth talking used car salesmen. Some people get had and some don’t.

  24. Moon-howler

    I don’t know, Geroge Bush reinvented himself. Mr. Make-over. So did Gov. Romney.

  25. hello

    Good point Mando, I would tend to agree with you about Obama. I don’t think he is a communist, I don’t fear him, I don’t think he is a terrorist (and the list goes on). What I do fear is that he has smooth talked his way into his current position without the experience needed or the track record to show. It may sound kind of harsh but he is somewhat of a snake oil salesman. If you look at the government spending he wants to do there is no way his is going to accomplish it without taxing more that 5% of the population. It’s not until you look deeper into his tax plans (not all of which you will see on his web site), tax cut roll backs and new taxes do you get the full scale of what he want he is going to do. It’s shocking given our current economic situation.

  26. DiversityGal

    Hello and Mando, you don’t buy Obama’s message, and this girl (too-assuming, getting conned, or whatever else you might think of me) is sure as hell not buying McCain’s. We all have our votes today, and that is a good thing:)

  27. Mando

    With his own rhetoric, he’s created a monster I’m sure he knows he can’t reign in.

    The left of the left love him because he has totally hoodwinked the centrists. Surely they must know eventually the piper is going to come calling. Eyes are on him. Does he eschew his liberal ideology of the past (and his base) and truly become a centrist and make good policy? Or does he gel back into his the leftist ideologies he’s held his entire political career and thumb his nose at all those he took for a ride?

    The change he’s preaching has different meanings to his base and the centrists he’s capturing.

    I now have a morbid curiosity to see how this all plays out.

  28. AnoniMom

    Alanna- I am right there with you sister. You said it so nice and concisely I don’t want to mess it up by trying to add more.

    The only thing I will add (I can never stop myself) is to the point of women dying in back alley abortions. As a pro-lifer, I believe that with every abortion a child dies. Please do not preach to me about women dying in the same breath in which your are advocating for the death of children. One life is not more precious than another. When pro-choicers talk to pro-lifers about women dying if abortion is made illegal is just does not ring true because we are looking and millions of dead babies whose lives were deemed as inconvenient by this same group. To us, that is a baby, a child, a human. Not a pregnancy, a fetus or a problem. Barack Obama said that he would never want to punish his daughters with a child that they did not want. A child is never a punishment. They are a blessing and if not to the birth mother, to the mother who will love and raise it. As Mother Teresa said, “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish. “

  29. Mando

    “Hello and Mando, you don’t buy Obama’s message”

    Obama’s message is impossible. He can’t make the centrists happy and his base at the same time. Especially with the stratospheric rhetoric. Infomercial much?

    As president, he can’t win.

    He’s the left’s version of Bush.

  30. Mando

    The interesting thing about abortion is the history of it is steeped in racism.

  31. ShellyB

    It is forgivable to be a single issue voter anti-abortion for one reason: the GOP will never allow Roe V. Wade to be overturned. It is there best remaining campaign issue.

  32. DiversityGal

    Oh yes, I guess I should have trusted honest, grounded, even-tempered, unifying John McCain…who, of course, would never mislead, overstate, or change positions as a politician. That must be something only Obama could possibly be guilty of…right?

    Mando, I don’t know why I have been so fooled all this time. Perhaps, I just haven’t looked into things as much as you, or perhaps I am too gullible, perhaps I overdosed on my koolaid this morning….

    We all have points we want to make. We have been making them over and over again during this campaign, and I respect the fact that we want to have our say. We all put our viewpoints into action today. I suppose both you and I are sufficiently comfortable with our respective choices, and that is not likely to change any time soon…unless I go to koolaid-rehab:)

  33. Pat.Herve

    Funny that not too many people are worried with McCain creating a new tax on my healthcare benefits – which cost me more than $5k a year. It will also turn into a new AMT, in that it will stay at $5k while the costs of the benefits continue to soar.

    I also do not know how he is going to pay for reducing the capital gains tax, 300 billion for mortgage relief, 50 billion for credit card relief.

    He seems to be just jumping – trying to grasp at any idea to try and get votes.

  34. Alanna

    Obama supporters at George Mason University told to ‘wait until tomorrow’ to vote because of ‘long lines’. Looks like someone will be in very hot water with this one.

    Here’s the story from CNN –

    (CNN) — Voters in several states have receiving bogus text messages or e-mail urging supporters of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama to put off voting until Wednesday because of long lines, spurring threats of prosecution in at least two states.

    The messages — a perennial election stunt — popped up Tuesday on mobile phones and computers in the battleground states of Florida, Virginia and Missouri, as well as in several other states. One falsely claimed to be a “CNN breaking news” alert.

    “All Obama voters, due to long delays, are asked to wait and vote tomorrow 11/05,” that message stated.

    Election Day is a one-day event, of course — and in a statement issued Tuesday, Missouri Secretary of State Robin Carnahan said she had “no tolerance” for anyone attempting to confuse voters.

    “I am working with local election officials around the state to make sure poll workers and voters understand their rights,” said Carnahan, a Democrat.

    “Anyone attempting to deprive voters of their rights on Election Day will be prosecuted.”

    In Maryland, a spokeswoman for Attorney General Douglas Gansler said his office had passed along complaints about the messages to the U.S. Justice Department and state prosecutors.

    Similar messages were reported in Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, Maryland and Arkansas.

    In Virginia, hackers breached the computer network at George Mason University to send the message, university Provost Peter Stearns told students, faculty and staff in an e-mail denouncing the hoax.

    “I am sure everybody realizes this is a hoax,” he said. “It is also a serious offense, and we are looking into it. Please be reminded that Election Day is today, November 4th.”

    A flyer with a similar message was spread around the Hampton Roads area of southeast Virginia last week. Virginia State Police said Monday that they would not bring charges against the man who printed them, and state Board of
    Elections Secretary Nancy Rodriguez called the flyers “a joke that got out of control.”

  35. Jurtuna

    Pinko

    Agree. Palin ended my confusion for a few reasons – mainly because it was clear to me that he was being controlled by the GOP. His speech at the convention was, in my opinion, a top highlight of the campaign but it was also his swan song considering he had accepted Palin at that point.

    Cheney’s endorsement was not helpful.

    David Brooks had an excellant op-ed piece two weeks ago titled “Ceding the Center”. It summed up my thoughts almost exactly regarding McCain. You might still be able to locate it on the NYT website.

    McCain/Biden would have made me happy. I would like to see McCain in some role should Obama win tonight. McCain ‘un-plugged’ from the GOP is a terrific asset for the US.

  36. Jurtuna

    In listening to McCain/Palin – specifically the latter, I did not really get a clear impression that they would seek to overturn abortion but return the issue to the states. Different thing entirely.

  37. Moon-howler

    Mando, you have got to be kidding. What kool aid have you injected, intravenously I might add, that makes you an expert on the history of abortion? Racist it’s not.

    Thanks for the laugh.

  38. Moon-howler

    Those who oppose abortion should do everything in their power to see that abortion is not needed because unwanted pregnancy simply does not occur and the hard cases don’t happen. All too often though, the very people opposing abortion are also those opposing contraception or sex education.

    Roe v Wade will be 36 years old this coming January—just a day or 2 later than the Presidential Inauguration. If most Americans wanted to overturn Roe, it would be gone. But they don’t. And I am with ShellyB—Republican movers and shakers don’t want it gone either because it has kept people committed to the Republican ticket.

  39. Mando might have a point if you look at the number of minority women who have died having back-alley abortions compared to “white” women. I might have to look that up now….curious. I bet there IS a coorelation because of the high poverty rates in minority communities.

    My first bit of support is this: 25% of all minorities do not have health insurance. That in itself should give us a place to start.

  40. –If most Americans wanted to overturn Roe, it would be gone. But they don’t.–

    That’s why I said I didn’t think it would be overturned. It’s really not worth the hooplah, even for rabid pro-lifers (I mean extremists here, not people like Alanna).

    –Those who oppose abortion should do everything in their power to see that abortion is not needed because unwanted pregnancy simply does not occur and the hard cases don’t happen.–

    As someone who loathes abortion, this is my stance, MH. Still, I would never judge a woman who was raped or had other horrible circumstances to contend with. I would only hope she had been given help and other options (which is too often not the case at all)

  41. Interestingly, though, here are the stats on women who have LEGAL abortions:

    –No racial or ethnic group makes up a majority: 41% of women obtaining abortions are white non-Hispanic, 32% are black non-Hispanic, 20% are Hispanic and 7% are of other racial backgrounds.–

    (I don’t know why they think 41% is not the majority here,but the stats are interesting.)

  42. But this stat from Wiki says about the 2003 stats:

    Abortions and ethnicity
    Abortions are much more common among minority women in the U.S. In 2000-2001, the rates among black and Hispanic women were 49 per 1,000 and 33 per 1,000, respectively, vs. 13 per 1,000 among non-Hispanic white women.[8]

    They do say though: “Because reporting of abortions is not mandatory, statistics are of varying reliability. The Centers For Disease Control (CDC) regularly compiles these statistics.”

  43. james

    250k is not a lot of money, especially when you convert in euro’s. My spouse and I make combined over 300k and now I’m going to be taxed extra? I dont think this is very acceptable to tax those who work hard to get where they are currently at and then you tax the people who dont work less? What about the people that are using public assistance? I’m sure some of them need it, but not forever. If you look around D.C. you’ll see the public assistance system in the U.S. is broken, too many people take advantage that should not and too many people that are not able to get it when they need it. This country is extremely confusing.

    I think Obama is going to be the wrong route for this country, when you look through all the hype you’ll see a person that was rather lazy in office. Someone who was afraid to really put himself on the line. Someone who is basically afraid. Voting for “change” for changes sake makes a person ignorant. Just because something changes does not mean that change is good, It could very well be worse that it is now. Be very careful what you wish for!

  44. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Obama supporters, wait until tomorrow to vote….now THAT’S funny!!!

  45. ShellyB

    Warner ahead of Gilmore by 200,000. I wonder if the VA GOP is regretting the nomination of a Stewart-Stirrup extremist (Gilmore) instead of a sensible moderate with an actual chance of winning (Tom Davis).

  46. — dont think this is very acceptable to tax those who work hard to get where they are currently at and then you tax the people who dont work less? —

    James, you forget that a large population works for minimum wage and/or two jobs but will NEVER earn what you do.

    When this happens, you pay far more than taxes. You pay for the effects of poverty: drop-outs, crime, unemployment, etc. Assuming the taxes are used appropriately and public assistance is monitored for fraud, you are getting more for your buck when you ensure your streets are safe and the majority of your population is not going hungry, homeless and uneducated.

  47. BTW, I’ve worked my ass off all my life and NEVER EVER have come CLOSE to what you are earning. So please don’t judge people just because you happen to be fortunate.

  48. Not Me, Bubba

    @ AnoniMom:

    “The only thing I will add (I can never stop myself) is to the point of women dying in back alley abortions. As a pro-lifer, I believe that with every abortion a child dies.”

    With illegal abortions women and their fetus/embryo/baby (whatever you wish to call it) also die. It’s a crappy scenario – I won’t argue that. But criminalizing abortion won’t end it, it won’t stop it. It will just make it illegal and lethal. I know plenty of people who value the women in their lives to see them live as they wish, instead of dead or mamed because they had no choice.

    “Please do not preach to me about women dying in the same breath in which your are advocating for the death of children.”

    Well then, you really DO then have a preference for who lives and who dies. YOu see it as killing a child. And you can do that. But who are you with your beliefs to restrict other women who do not believe the same? and if you believe abortion is murder – then how much time should a woman do for “killing her child”? Last time I checked – murder is a felony, punishable up to years in jail, or even the death penalty. So what is it for these women then?

    “One life is not more precious than another. ”

    That is not what you imply when you dismiss the lives of women who can die from illegal abortions…and the women who die each year from unsafe, clandestine abortions around the world. The US did it your way for decades prior to Roe. Women still had abortions.

    “When pro-choicers talk to pro-lifers about women dying if abortion is made illegal is just does not ring true because we are looking and millions of dead babies whose lives were deemed as inconvenient by this same group.”

    It IS true and it DOES happen, whether you choose to acknowledge the facts or not. Take a look at oh-so “pro-life” El Salvador where women are dying en masse because they have NO CHOICE. And who are you to know the reasons behind a woman’s choice?
    Who are you to say what IS and is NOT convenient? Walk in your own shoes instead of assuming what is best for others in theirs.

    “To us, that is a baby, a child, a human. Not a pregnancy, a fetus or a problem.”

    Well, you get to make choices for YOU. NOBODY ELSE. Don’t like it? Don’t have one.

    “Barack Obama said that he would never want to punish his daughters with a child that they did not want. A child is never a punishment.”

    IT IS if you’re forced to have one that you DO NOT want.

    “They are a blessing and if not to the birth mother, to the mother who will love and raise it.”

    Blessings for YOU, a curse to someone else. Again, that shoes thing…

    As Mother Teresa said, “It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish. “

    And she of all people loved to decide what was best for other people. I’ll refrain from going into depth on what a fraud she was. But as a NUN, WTF would she know about pregnancy, motherhood and raising children? She just stuck around to ensure the unwanted were born. Then off she went.

    Thank GOD Obama is President. He will reverse the abusive policies of Bushco and put prevention first (Sorry virginity pledgers and deniers of accurate sex ed) to ebb the need for abortion…while keeping it safe and legal for those who may, despite their preventative measures – need it.

  49. Sarah

    Alanna,

    I have to say, you really disappoint me here. With the country falling apart, immigrants are being demonized and persecuted, and our economy in shambles, you REALLY think that abortion is the issue that you should vote on? I really thought you were brighter than that.

    Listen, the Pro-life lobby has supported some VERY BAD men and women running for office, solely on this one issue. Are there fewer abortions today because of it? Are we any closer to stopping abortions that we were when Roe v. Wade become law of the land? We all know the answer to these questions is categorically no.

    In the meantime, Pro-life candidates have been among the most vile, corrupt, mean-spirited elected officials–people who claim to see life as sacred but
    go on to demonize the already living–creating an atmosphere of hatred that not only does not support the finer virtues of the pro-life movement–they contradict them.

    Okay, so you voted for McCain. It doesn’t matter today, and I thank God that so many Catholics and other Pro-life people are waking up to the fact that they have been pandered to for too long. The only way to convince people to respect life is to start with those who are already living next to us–like our neighbors, regardless of what the look like and where they come from. If you can’t see the person living next to you as a full human being with human rights, you’re never going to see a fetus as having them. It’s that simple.

  50. Elena

    Hi Sarah,
    I admire that Alanna had the courage to express why she voted for McCain. I believe that the republican party has used this one issue, abortion rights, to prevent people from voting in their best interest and the best interest of the country. WHat we can all agree upon is no one is “pro” abortion. We all want to reduce the need and occurance of abortion. Alanna is very bright, but like many people, such as anonimom, struggle with this one issue. It is sort of like saying we here on anti,”support” illegal immigration, no one supports illegal immigration, we all want immigration reform. I am not “pro” abortion, I simply believe women should have providence over their own bodies, but I too look forward to a time that pregnancy prevention, through education, will be our main focus as a nation.

    Alanna has never been one of those mean spirited republicans and is an example, in her deed and thought, for anyone who votes “conservative” 🙂

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