Prince William County Police should be commended for the quick crime-solve of the Sudley Place vandalism. Kids can do some mighty stupid things but residents should not have to bear the cost and time that go into fixing the damage. Hopefully, the group who did this vandalism will receive very inconvenient, stiff sentences that teach a lesson.

Some of us were talking about what causes this type of behavior. We seem to have had a rash of it with young adults here recently. Houses in Gainesville were vandalized. Cars and a few homes were vandalized in Sudley. Why do young adults (who basically are still kids in my mind) and kids go on rampages like this?

Is this new behavior? Is it reflective of the community? Is it reflective of the times? Is it more rampant than it used to be? Do kids have more freedom? Is it part of a hate crime tendency?

With this type of crime occurring as frequently as it does, is this the time to be cutting back on police on street? As the economy grows worse, should we expect theft to increase, vandalism to increase because unemployed people have too much time on their hands?

What county services would you be willing to give up to keep the PWC police force at its current levels rather than it suffering the same cut backs as other county agencies are going to have to do?

These are tough questions for tough times. Give us your opinions.

See full story at the Washington Post.

150 thoughts on “Kids on a Rampage

  1. Slither Hither

    Mackie,
    Do you ever have anything positive to say?

  2. You misunderstand. Most white people are relatively infantile in their understanding of racism.

  3. NotGregLeteicq

    DiversityGal, my understanding is that the disenfranchisement practices toward those convicted of felonies was instituted shortly after Emancipation. This is the time line in Florida anyway. At a time when law enforcement truly was racist, I mean the norm and not the exception, it was an effective way to neutralize the African American voting base.

    It is also my understanding that this practice came quite handy in the 2000 election, when Florida Secretary of State (and later Congresswoman) Katherine Harris used the law to disenfranchise tens of thousands of African Americans who HAD NOT committed any crime, but were related to or had similar names to individuals who had. The Republican party of Florida, you may recall, was most pleased to win that state for their greatest President of all time, George W. Bush, by some 500 votes, maybe. Forget about the hanging chad, the election was decided when Kathleen Harris hired a Republican law firm to scrub African Americans off the voting rolls. Latinos were not similarly targeted because in Florida, at the time, they were more likely to vote Republican. African Americans were especially targeted because the governor at the time, Jeb Bush, was considered to have betrayed the African American community by breaking campaign promises. Harris knew that the more African Americans voted in 2000, the less chance her candidate would have to win (in addition to being Florida Secretary of State, Harris was also George W. Bush’s Florida campaign chair).

    When the Republican law firm returned to Kathleen Harris’ office having found only a thousand people in the entire state of Florida who were registered to vote and had since committed a felony, Harris’ office told them she was looking for a much larger number, “a wider net” is the famous quote. They suggested that the loosen the standards, so that the names do not have to match exactly in order to take someone off the voting rolls; they only need to match the last name and first initial, for instance.

    Officials with the Republican law firm testified before Congress that they warned Kathleen Harris’ office that if they used a wider net that a great number of people who had done nothing wrong would lose their right to vote. Harris’ office said, “We want the widest possible net.”

    On election day, tens of thousands of African Americans were turned away from the polls after being told their voting rights had been stripped. Thus, we had the honor and good fortune of President George W. Bush, because some people know better what our country needs than the voting electorate.

    So to answer your question, DG, there was a very good reason for putting this law on the books, but not a very good reason for keeping it.

  4. Lucky Duck

    Mackie, you are a racist….reread your comments above and imagine if a white person wrote those exact words regarding a Hispanic person or any person of color…”Honestly, only white people would support something like 287g. It’s only white people who actually believe that cops don’t make blatant false arrests. It’s only white people who think cops won’t get up on the witness stand and lie”. Or “So people of color are supposed to care about over privileged white people being reminded of their own stupidity?” Or even this which you wrote “Most white people are relatively infantile in their understanding of racism.” If a white person wrote those comments about a person of color, they’d be blistered on this blog, but the sad thing is you seem to get a pass for childish, racist and nasty remarks. Talk about painting an entire race with one small mind and a broad brush.

    Suppose I commented that Hispanics that are illegally here are relatively infantile in their understanding of national borders? Would that be ok? I just changed the race and inserted an opinion some people have (just like you have your opinions)into your comments. Is this comment still ok now?

    I am not sure of what rambling rage has consumed you, but you fight a battle you will never win. As bad as the anti Hispanic racism is, you sir, are living proof that racism exists inside the Hispanic community. Sadly, it exists in all colors as evidenced by your diatribes.

    You’ve already been outed on this blog as stretching your “facts” without support and seems you are doing it once again. If you want equality, then act like it and treat others as equals. If you want division, keep writing that race baiting commentary you seem to add to every thread, no matter the topic. No mas.

  5. –Most white people are relatively infantile in their understanding of racism.–

    Mackie, what do you mean by that? Quantify and site some stats or something.

  6. Maybe Mackie is a hate bunny in disguise. 🙂

  7. Off the wall comment here but do you think we could get PWC a bailout? The people that wasted our money in the county (read Stirrup and Stewart and their CLAN) are just as corrupt as those on Capitol Hill and Wall Street, so it seems to me we should qualify.

  8. NotGregLeteicq

    Pinko, I’ll admit that I have at times wondered if Mackie is another “Hate Bunny” impostor trying to make us all look bad. And Lucky Duck, I agree with you that the same statements would immediately be tagged as racist if they were directed at a minority group (which means they are racist and we just have a limited way of seeing racism because of this country’s demographics and history). Mackie, I don’t want to attack you, but your statements are not so cool. I share some of your frustration and sorrow, but I could argue all the same points without making such blanket statements.

    Back to Pinko’s concern, I do question the timing, so soon after the AWCheney melt down, that Mackie is doing his best to attract attention for party fouls of his own. But the difference is that Mackie has a history of making statements like this, and AWCheney (as far as I recall) did not.

    And, if Mackie really is a Hate Bunny in disguise, they all need to figure out that in a non-censored blog, you really can’t hold the admin’s accountable for everything that gets said. Gospel Greg’s blog was impeached and dismissed when the world found out that he was censoring dissenting opinions. This pointed the finger at him for all of the vile bigotry that could be found there. He was censoring some people but not others, which means he was down with the bigotry. Get it?

  9. Jason

    “You misunderstand. Most white people are relatively infantile in their understanding of racism.”

    This is a racist statement. Sorry.

    Generalizing, stereotyping and being prejudiced towards any ethnic group is just plain wrong.

    Even white people.

  10. Good manners demand I wait my turn at door of the slaughterhouse.

    But I screamed before the blade fell, and broke the workman’s bloody rhythm.

    So I’m quickly hustled to the front of the line.

  11. Slither Hither

    Mackie,
    Will that cheese you’ll be having with whine, be made from you udders?
    MoooOOO!

  12. Mando

    obviously Mackie is an HSM plant

    either the mastermind GL or maybe the diabolical Duecaster

    scary

  13. Rat's Ass Ralph

    Rackie, go on back over to the dark screen and tell them all about it. The scales have fallen from my eyes. It has all become crystal clear. You are just a plant.

  14. Mando

    either that, or NGL is really GL and masterfully trying to cause major dissent

    even scarier

  15. Slither Hither

    Mando,
    Why be scared? You are not alone. Maybe, the you and Mackie can cross pollenate.
    Go back to bvbl and wave your stems there.

  16. Mando

    everyone should be scared… GL is an evil diabolical genius and the cause of all that is bad in PWC

    his black tendrils of racist hatred know no bounds

    be suspicious of EVERYONE!!!

    be SCARED!!!

    and BTW, Slither Hither looks a lot like HITLER! The NAZI!!!

    something evil is afoot with Slither Hither I fear… another plant I suspect

  17. Mando

    what do you think pinko/NGL?

    Slither Hither -> move some letters around/delete a few and you get Hitler

    the NAZI

    gotta be GL himself… jackboots and all

  18. Slither Hither

    Mando,
    I did forget to leave the sarcasm alert in my comment to you. 🙂

    You might be onto something with your first sentence.

  19. Rat's Ass Ralph

    Slither not look like Hitler! He appears very much like his cousin, Jake.

    Cuidado! Maybe he looks like GL.

  20. Rat's Ass Ralph

    Mando lied!! No Z, N, A. Just Hitler.

  21. Slither Hither

    Geesh, I’ve never thought about playing Boggle with my name. Thanks, Mando.

  22. Mando

    “Maybe, the you and Mackie can cross pollenate.”

    Another nail in your coffin. Himmler, THE NAZI, was in charge of some agricultural projects… including… cross pollination!

    fess up

    the anti’s have your number now

  23. Slither Hither

    Mando,
    Another nail in my coffin? WTF do you mean by that exactly?

  24. Mando

    it’s a figure of speech…

    try google

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nail%20in%20the%20coffin

    “nail in the coffin”

    “Part of the phrase, “the last nail in the coffin” or “another nail in the coffin”. Equivalent to “the last straw”. A very old phrase.”

    in other words, you have outed yourself as a HSM plant beyond any doubt due to your NAZI anagrams and verbiage

  25. Slither Hither

    Mando,
    I understand the phrase. I can’t understand why you would make that statement to me.

    I could lie and give you the standard plant answer. I’ve never heard of this Greg Leteicq you speak or this group HSM.
    I can assure I’m NOT an HSM member. I would rather gouge my eyes than be a kool aid drinking HSMer.

    BTW-It’s been 30 years today, since Jim Jones gave all those poor faithful followers the deadly punch. What a horrible event.

  26. GL is diabolical but he’s no genius.

    Mando, you will be pleased to know I was writing an email to someone whose last name looks just like yours sans “M.” I accidentally addressed it to YOU!

  27. Anybody catch this in the Post today?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11/17/AR2008111702879.html

    The majority of Americans want a path to citizenship as part of comprehensive immigration reform. The article compares European attitudes toward immigration with American attitudes, with a few surprises. Will someone be kind enough to find the actual statistics on which the article is based?

  28. Rat's Ass Ralph

    Slither, Old Mando is a leg puller from way back.

    Diabolical indeed. El Diablo strikes again. I wonder if the Gentleman of the Hot Place will be putting in an official appearance at this year’s Manassas Christmas Parade again this year?

    Will HSM be strapping on those jackboots and entering a float in the parade? That would be a good offset for the prancing diablos.

  29. Mando

    Slither (sLITHER) said:

    “BTW-It’s been 30 years today, since Jim Jones gave all those poor faithful followers the deadly punch. What a horrible event.”

    Hmmm… interesting trivia for you to bring up… GL!

    Pinko said:

    “GL is diabolical but he’s no genius.

    Mando, you will be pleased to know I was writing an email to someone whose last name looks just like yours sans “M.” I accidentally addressed it to YOU!”

    Mind control. I too could actually be GL using the dark side of the force to subconsciously corrupt your mind.

  30. My mind was corrupted long before GL ever came into my life 🙂

  31. Slither Hither

    Mando,
    Here’s some more interesting trivia.

    You would be on the “most wanted” list if Greg thought he was being unjustly accused of being me. Innocent until proven guilty, right?

  32. Juturna

    Gee, Mackie never showed back up……. Hmm.

  33. Slither Hither

    Excellent point, Juturna!

  34. Moon-howler

    Ahhhh, Slither, how is your life as an undercover agent coming along? I like that….Hitler out of Slither. wowowowowow. Too bad you didn’t think of it first. That was pretty clever there, Mando.

  35. Moon-howler

    I should have read back further. Mackie, what is your point in making racist statements against white people?

    I have seen this ‘trick’ before. Some toad plants something nasty or distasteful on the blog, a black velvet comes along and does a copy and paste, makes a slide of it, and takes it to the BOCS meeting so one of the HSM ladies gets to play with the overhead projector and go ewwweeeeee ahheeeeee look how bad those antis are.

    Juvenile, and also ineffective. Just hold on, I hear our resident cartoonist is hard at work. We should have some REAL material for you all real soon.

  36. Moon-howler

    Whwn,

    The brits have sort of a different set up than we do. Apparently the immigrants are getting all the govt health care and housing allowances. Remember that youtube immigration spoof based out of Great Britain? I will try to find it.

    It amazes me that people just say ‘send’ them home’ so easily. How on earth do you send 10 million people home? You and whose army? Send them home is just big-assing. It isn’t possible without violence. I do not consider that a viable option.

  37. IVAN

    M H, Of course it’s viable. You just aren’t reading the right blogs site.

  38. Moon-howler

    Ivan, that’s what I am afraid of! I don’t stray too far off the compound these days.

  39. Gee Lucky, 138 comments here and yours focuses exclusively on me. Hmmm…

    Got Agenda?

    I know you’re an apologist for one of the most consistently racist institutions in history, so-called law enforcement, so surely you must be joking when you accuse others of racism.

    If you actually meant what you wrote above, you sound like you’re suffering from a pathological deficiency in moral judgment.

  40. Juturna

    Hmmmm… I detect a change in pattern.

  41. Lucky Duck

    Nice try Mackie. I commented on your statements because you made the most racist group of statements I have seen on this thread. You generalized about an entire race of people and back up nothing with facts. Wait, we determined that you made up facts and stretched the truth a long time ago didn’t we? And just like in those other threads, as always, you come back playing a victim. Grow up.

    You are angry at the world and seem to lash out at anyone who apparently doesn’t look like you or think like you and truthfully, I got tired of it. If you harbor a perceived injustice to yourself or others, change it in a legitimate way. But introducing your racist anger on every thread is not the way. While I almost never agree with you – and that’s fine, thats what makes a debate, sometimes you have thought provoking ideas. Too bad they get lost in the moronic, thoughtless statements you make so often that others just ignore what you say. I can assure you I do not “joke about racism” as you put it.

    I am an apologist for nobody. I alone am responsible for what I say and do and let those actions and words speak of me to others. You know nothing of my moral code so do not speak of what you do not know of.

  42. Nice work Lucky. Spoken like a true apologist.

    Gee, what did I do to warrant such attention above all other posters? Oh yeah, I’m the only one who actually pulls no punches when addressing the racism endemic in the farcical institution called law enforcement and the white privileged mentality that buttresses it.

    I’m not surprised you would interpret my comments as racist considering that suits your predisposed agenda. It wouldn’t be the first time some boy in blue on the witness stand twisted the facts in order to get a conviction. Now would it? It happens all the time, especially if the defendant is black or brown.

    Once again, I ask the same question I’ve asked so many times before, why does Lucky Ducky engage in cyber stalking me and only me? What is it that this individual wants? What is their goal? Why does he say “you made the most racist group of statements I have seen on this thread” when this is a clear misinterpretation of my words and one can clearly look at other threads and posters to find heinously racist screeds? Why does Lucky lie like this?

    But then again, if those in law enforcement actually spent as much time and energy fighting racism as they do in attacking those who expose it, we might not be having this debate in the first place.

    When the message threatens the powers that be, the default response of their well-trained apologists is always to discredit the messenger.

  43. Moon-howler

    Mackie, many people found your comments about whites to be racist. Those who know me also know I rarely use that term. However…it was what it was. Lucky Duck does not cyber stalk you. Saying that sounds incredibly paranoid, especially after making such heinous remarks about one race of people. I know you didn’t learn this crap at the alma mater.

    Trust me, most of the readership here was taken aback by your remarks.

  44. Lucky Duck

    Mackie, your comments and “facts” have been shown to be lies in the past, a dose of made up nonsense tinged with a personal agenda. I called on you repeatedly over the last few months (as others have too) to back up your statements with facts and you came back portraying yourself as a “victim” as you do yet again – without any support for what you claim.

    If you are the only one, as you say, who “pulls no punches” than we as group are in trouble. You fabricate statements and pass them off as “facts”. You need a better education in life.

    As for your comment about “cyber stalking” you, well, I could find a racist spewing fool on any blog in the cybersphere, so you are not that special as to take up my time.

  45. Lucky Ducky,

    I called on you repeatedly over the last few months

    That’s pretty creepy. Could you please focus your attention on something or someone else. Your obsession with discrediting me is looking more and more like cyber stalking. It is a crime Lucky. You may not have crossed the line yet, but you’ve definitely established a precedent here. And considering that you are an official with public trust, it’s an even graver violation. Here is the definition:

    the use of information and communications technology, particularly the Internet, by an individual or group of individuals, to harass another individual, group of individuals, or organization. The behavior includes false accusations, monitoring, the transmission of threats, identity theft, damage to data or equipment, the solicitation of minors for sexual purposes, and gathering information for harassment purposes. The harassment must be such that a reasonable person, in possession of the same information, would regard it as sufficient to cause another reasonable person distress.

    Your posts are growing more and more shrill and irrational again. I saw this pattern from you before. You have stooped to personal insults in the following quotes which shows you have disturbingly become personally invested in discrediting me:

    You need a better education in life…I could find a racist spewing fool on any blog in the cybersphere, so you are not that special as to take up my time

    The comments directly above are completely unbecoming of one who has official authority in our community. As a public official, you should keep the public trust in mind and set a standard of conduct for others to emulate.

    I’m becoming truly afraid now of what you might officially do to me if you should ever find out my identity.

  46. Lucky Duck

    Mackie, you have no idea what I do for a living, so please, do not make up that topic like you have made up so many others. If you feel so threatened, well, get a warrant. I’ll meet you in criminal court and then, after that is dismissed, I’ll meet you next in civil court for my turn.

    Don’t play with the truth, you will not win.

  47. Elena

    Mackie,
    There has been strong debate between you and Lucky, now and in the past. It makes me uncomfortable when I see posters threaten legal action. Michael, not long ago, also threatened legal action. You are anonymous as is Lucky Duck. No one can trace anyone from this blog, as the administrators are the only ones with access, and even at that, most posters use fake e-mail addresses and we all know IP addresses can be used my multiple people. I would appreciate it Mackie, if you would not threaten legal action to other posters. It is not my perception that Lucky is “stalking” you, but Lucky is challenging you on your premise. That is called healthy debate, you have been an excellent source of such discourse in the past, it’s just this time, the tables were turned on you. Once again, I am asking, please refrain from threatening legal action, it really has no place on this blog.

  48. Elena,

    You must have me confused with Lucky Ducky.

    The words you wrote must have been meant for Lucky Ducky. I have not threatened legal action. Although I have tried to patiently explain over and over and over again to Lucky Ducky that his harassment (and that’s exactly what it is) is not appreciated. Especially since he holds a position of public trust. That’s inexcusable.

    So you must have me confused with Lucky Ducky. At least that’s what I hope since you have a well-earned reputation of being fair.

    The words you wrote must have been meant for Lucky Ducky. Because you see, and I hope you see, in the post directly above yours, whats plain to see:

    I’ll meet you next in civil court for my turn.

    So you must have me confused with Lucky Ducky…

  49. Elena

    Mackie,
    I interpreted your explanation of stalking and harrassment as a precursor to you wanting to take legal action against another poster. You said:

    “That’s pretty creepy. Could you please focus your attention on something or someone else. Your obsession with discrediting me is looking more and more like cyber stalking. It is a crime Lucky. You may not have crossed the line yet, but you’ve definitely established a precedent here. And considering that you are an official with public trust, it’s an even graver violation. Here is the definition” etc as you posted the definition.

    It’s the part where you said “Your obsession with discrediting me is looking more and more like cyber stalking. It is a crime Lucky. You may not have crossed the line yet, but you’ve definitely established a precedent here”, that made me uncomfortable. You and I both rail against those who would make generalities about Hispanics or immigrants, whether they be here with, or without, proper documentation. If we stray from that belief then we are as guilty as those who say that the Hispanic culture is nothing but a bunch of degenerates. Lucky simply picked up on what appeared to be a very general and negative statement about “whites”. This needs to be an open forum, if you feel as though Lucky Duck is treating you unfairly, maybe the reality is that you two will just have to agree to disagree. Clearly, from my perspective, there is tension with you two that will not be readily resolved, but it does not remotely resemble criminal behavior as you implied Lucky is on the cusp of crossing into.

  50. Elena,

    The reality you’re not seeing is that I never threatened legal action.

    Lucky Ducky did.

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