Without apology, another Jon Stewart video–this time about the climate change hoaxes.  For those who think Jon Stewart always takes the liberal side, you might want to listen to this one.  I found it hilarious. 

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Just out of curiosity, why would anyone take the word of a computer hacker regarding climate change?  Do I smell an axe to grind out there?

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  1. hello

    Sure, there is probably a big axe to grind there… he may just be one of the many people that questioned the altered data and got ridiculed for it. Then he decided to get the data for himself.

    By the way, I love how with liberal issues and corruption that gets exposed it’s never a matter of what got exposed… no, instead it’s always, don’t look at what was found, look at how it was found.

    Like ACORN, don’t look at the culture of corruption, lets prosecute the people that exposed it. With this, lets not believe these emails, look at how they were obtained.

    If this were someone hacking Halliburton and exposing corruption that person would win some sort of journalistic award… when the left is exposed everyone just attacks the person that did the exposing.

  2. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Flaw in your thinking there, Moon. Nobody’s asking you to take the world of a hacker. Instead, you’re faced with the words of the “scientists” themselves. Take them at their words! I love it. For YEARS, anyone who questioned manbearpig was “nuts, out of their minds”. Now folks have to watch their dreams of huge taxing policies and the ultimate destruction of our economy smashed to bits. It’s really frickin’ BEAUTIFUL!!!!

  3. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    word

  4. RingDangDoo

    The ‘hacker’ exposed the falsification of data that shows the scam that has been hyped for years. I’d give him a Nobel Prize for that (and take away Gore’s for pushing the scam).

  5. You all are full of crap. You are basically saying that hacking into someone’s email is perfectly ok as long as you get the goods on them. Was it ok for the hacker to go into Sarah Palin’s email? I believe I was one of those people who spoke out against the criminal who did that.

    I cannot believe you believe in rewarding criminal behavior. So much for rule of law.

    Furthermore, little hacker boy proved that some scientists are jerks, not that global warming doesn’t exist. I am withholding judgement here same as I did on the scientists. One is as bad as the other in my book.

    Climate change isn’t necessarily a liberal issue. What to do about it might be.

  6. Slowpoke, what happened to your cartoon character?

  7. Witness Too

    I would compare this to Sean Hannity’s usage of footage from one Tea Party to make it look like another Tea Party was well attended. It doesn’t mean that the Tea Parties didn’t happen, or that there haven’t been some well attended ones, or that the message behind the Tea Parties is invalid.

    Hannity’s job is to support a particular political agenda. The fact that he gets caught cheating once in a while doesn’t invalidate that agenda. What it does to is call into question the integrity of Hannity and of Fox “News.” Many people already had their doubts.

    By the same token, many people already had their doubts about global warming. This embarrassment discredits a particular research installation and a particular researcher. It doesn’t invalidate science in general or the scientific method.

    Global warming is real. It is caused by man, and the ship has already sailed on this. Not only is there a broad consensus in the scientific community, there is a broad consensus among world leaders, and among the general public. The primary motive for denying science is to preserve the status quo and prolong our dependence on fossil fuels. The world is already moving away form fossil fuels toward cleaner burning energy. Even the oil companies are doing that. So, I agree with Jon Stewart that at the end of the day, this simply fuels conspiracy theorists.

  8. Totally agree, Witness too. Great comparison.

    Hackers are reprehensible and cost society billions of dollars a year. A hacker is no better than a burglar and in many cases is worse. In short, they are criminals. So the conspiracy theorists now rely on burglars, aka criminals, to debunk that which they do not like.

    I guess they aren’t calling it climate-gate for nothin’.

    How about debunking a scientific theory with better science? Isn’t that the way it should be done rather than with criminal activity?

  9. hello

    Very true Witness and Moon, hackers are reprehensible and cost society billions of dollars a year. However, this hacker could have very well SAVE us trillions… something to think a-boot…

  10. How? You are taking stolen email as the holy grail of science. All it means is that the scientists involved had no integrity. 2 of them have already been fired or resigned. Their reputations have been ruined. Once you lose your reputation and your job, That is a fairly big deal.

    However, those weren’t the only 2 scientists studying the problem. Far from it. If there is anything to climate change, then other data will be gathered or aggregated/disaggregated.

    Nothing has been proven or disproven scientifically.

  11. I can’t leave this alone. I am appalled that you all are so political that you would support a the actions of a thief who stole literally thousands of pieces of email belonging to many people. I am now sorry I called the scientists jerks. Who knows what was taken out of context.

    This has been a story that is being created. Let’s find out what really happened and not because some unidentified thief produces stolen emails. For all I know they were duplicated. Slow, your thinking is flawed if you are taking the word of a thief.

    I don’t think climate change should be political. I am truly disappointed that you would be cheering a thief.

    New York Times:
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/02/a-climate-scientist-on-data-mining-for-dirt/?hp

    Wall Street Journal:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107104574571613215771336.html

  12. Second-Alamo

    Unless the scientists are too busy to watch the news they surely know what has been said about their research. To a scientist, to have his research invalidated is like having your family tell you that you are a failure. I would hope that to set the record straight they would open up their books to outside scrutiny, unless they do have something to hide. Scientists only care about politics when it comes time to get more funding for research projects. They could care less about someone who professes to have invented the internet.

  13. Once again the words of Jacob Bronowski echo from beyond the grave warning about the progression of dogma over science.

  14. Good reminder, Rod. Thanks for that link.

    SA, scientists protect their turf all the time, much as you have described. It is the nature of the beast, mostly motivated by ego and in part by the eternal chase for money, recognition and status–sort of the same reason any of us get up and go to work I suppose.

    I have no problem with any scientific evidence being disputed by other scientific evidence gathered with integrity and subjected to the same scrutiny using scientific method. I have a huge problem with nay sayers taking victory laps over the work of an anonymous thief. To me, it could all be a hoax. Hacker = thief in my world.

    Fortunately, all of science is a work in progress. We should never close the book on any theory. There is always more to learn.

  15. Mando

    Saving tax-payers millions by debunking pseudo science. It’s possible for someone to be a scoundrel and hero at the same time. Kind of like Robin Hood.

    This is more about not liking the message then anything else.

  16. Elena

    Hey, whatever happened to “rule of law” “rule of law” ? I guess rule of law only applies to certain rules and certain laws?

    Hypocrisy, no one is exempt, a real truthyism 🙄

  17. Elena

    And to Hello and Slow, your monikers are pathetic. Were people just being too civil lately, you wanted to figure out a way to show your deep seated anger?

  18. PWC taxpayer

    Three issues; (1) is the hacking inapprpriate or otherwise illegal, (2) is global warming real over time and (3) if it is real – is it caused by man and can man fix it without major disruptions to society.

    I recall a very strong defense of FOIA recently. Those who object to the hacking might consider the public funds that have gone into the research and the source of the material that really should be fully available to the public anyway. In todays news, significant amounts of baseline data that justified global warming as a trend seem to have just misteriaously disappeared. Hmmm. NASA and other are now under scrutiny and having trouble producing their data. Hmmm.

    If I ever start to agree with Sen. Boxer on anything — its not just time to reconsider- its time to move quickly the other way.

    Also what ever happened to the news about the underground peat fire in Burma that puts out more carbon waste than than the US or China combined? It was the rationale for China not pushing Kyoto during Obozo’s recent visit

  19. Mando

    I object to both hacking and skewing science for political agendas. What a quandary.

  20. hello

    I see, Moon says I’m full of crap and Elena calls me pathetic… are you ladies okay? Your extremely aggressive tone is a bit over the top, don’t you think? Elena, wanna talk about deep seated anger, geesh…

  21. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Elena :
    And to Hello and Slow, your monikers are pathetic. Were people just being too civil lately, you wanted to figure out a way to show your deep seated anger?

    Are you referring to my moniker, which has remained the same for quite some time? Or are you referring to my avatar, which should be “bat boy” from the weekly world news. If your cache hasn’t cleared it would be Obama enjoying a nice smooth cigarette. To what exactly do you refer? Oh, and for the record…..my moniker is AWESOME!!

  22. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Moon-howler :
    I can’t leave this alone. I am appalled that you all are so political that you would support a the actions of a thief who stole literally thousands of pieces of email belonging to many people. I am now sorry I called the scientists jerks. Who knows what was taken out of context.
    This has been a story that is being created. Let’s find out what really happened and not because some unidentified thief produces stolen emails. For all I know they were duplicated. Slow, your thinking is flawed if you are taking the word of a thief.

    This reminds me of the kids that filmed what Acorn was doing. Lefties had no problem with the fact that acorn was using taxpayer dollars to help out pimps running underage prostitution rings, no, the REAL problem was actually those kids who recorded a conversation in violation of Maryland’s laws! Are educated people supposed to believe that protecting the lies of Acorn and junk science at all cost isn’t politically-motivated? Hacking is wrong, no question, but are you actually defending these pseudo-scientists whose impact on the economies of the world would be nothing short of devastating by elevating a hacking incident to the level of a capital crime? I’m sorry, but we’re smarter than that. I know it’s a bummer to watch the policies of the “psych-ward” wing of the Democratic party slowly swirl down the crapper along with the other solid waste, but in the end, right is right, wrong is wrong, and anything Nancy Pelosi likes….is way wrong.

  23. I have never been a fan of Acorn. It is too loose knit of an organization with unclear objectives for my taste. However, if congress is giving it money then congress should provide the oversight. I don’t like the idea of tricks and subtrafugue being used by those 2 liars. I also know who her father is. Very politically motivated. So liars, pimps and prostitutes all belong together in my book.

    If it was that easy to do then Congress should have been all over this organization for years.

    Junk science? I certainly don’t think all science dealing with climate change is junk science. I also have not defended the scientists who may or may not have doctored data. I am going to hold out for someone other than a thief to debunk them. Hackers ought to get life in prison.

    There is enough good data out there pointing to man’s impact on the earth that we need to be at least studying out to reverse some of the damage. Rather than being an anonymous thief (probably a scientific rival) produce accurate science information. That works.

    I simply don’t know why some of you are relying on liars and thieves for get your political point across. Closed mindedness at its worst.

  24. hello

    “I simply don’t know why some of you are relying on liars and thieves for get your political point across.” – maybe because just about every news media out there gets tingles up their leg or tears in their eyes when even thinking about this administration.

    They refuse to even look into any such thing, with ACORN how long did it take for them to even have a blip about it (MSNBC, NBC, CNN, ABC, CBS)? Hell, look at the coverage this whole climate issue is getting. Sure won’t see much on MSNBC or NBC about it, I wonder why? Could it be that their owned by GE who looks to make billions if cap and trade passes? I don’t know…

    And by the way Moon, I love how you show your disdain for the two who busted ACORN because you “know who her father is”. Talk about closed mindedness at it’s worst… for crying out loud.

  25. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    It’s like saying that the really bad thing that happened in November 1963 was that Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald. “Hello!!, something bigger is going on here”!!

  26. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Elena :
    Hey, whatever happened to “rule of law” “rule of law” ? I guess rule of law only applies to certain rules and certain laws?
    Hypocrisy, no one is exempt, a real truthyism

    Yeah, like those pesky immigration laws that people like to ignore and nobody wants to enforce.

  27. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    I should be back to my old avatar in a couple days. It was never meant to be permanent, anyway. Just a little variety

  28. hello

    I changed my avatar just for you Elena so you would think I was so pathetic…

  29. Slowpoke, you know that variety gets you in trouble each and every time. Good grief.

    If the goverments of the world were relying on one set of data to make all of their decisions about climate and climate change, heaven help us.

    You are taking the word of an anonymous hacker who is by defnition a thief just to satisfy your politican position. Do you really want to send that kind of message?

    I actually am not so sure that Ruby blowing away Oswald wasn’t right up there with the presidential assassination. Why on earth did he do it? He killed off all information we will ever really know about the assassination with a single bullet. We will never know if Oswald was a lone wolf assasin or if other governments or entities within governments had a part in it.

    Since we are asking why, why would any 2 scientists discuss total deception in an email? These supposedly aren’t stupid people. I have a lot of questions that need to be answered before I see those victory laps. Too many missing pieces.

    Hello, do YOU know who that girl’s father is? Can you say minister with a political agenda? I do not like people who bring their religion into their politics and want to establish a theocracy in place of MY government. Is that closed minded? This should come as no suprise since the one organization I really really like a lot is Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. They and Barry Lynn rock!

  30. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    It just occurred to me (I’ve been super busy this week)….no Tiger thread!?!

  31. Second-Alamo

    Tiger better stick to miniature golf. The clubs are smaller and less dangerous!

  32. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Isn’t that something? You’d think he was a politician!

  33. Witness Too

    Did you ever stop to wonder what it is that would cause an ordinary American to have such a personal stake in denying the scientific method and putting their faith in oil profiteers and other polluters who are funding their delusions? Why? What do you have to gain from that? It’s not a religious matter, no it’s not a matter of faith. Or is it?

    I guess if you are really, really, really devoted to the Republican party, then one litmus test might be if you are willing to deny science. Maybe it is a gesture of faith. After all, they don’t pay you for your myopia, do they? They don’t reward you for believing conspiracy theories. What’s really at stake for the non-believers in science? I don’t get it.

  34. I have been trying to avoid Cheetah and those White HOuse gate crashers from Front Royal. There was a big expose on channel 5 tonight about how they fleeced some repair shop for almost $600. I want the crashers to be prosecuted. I agree with Eleanor Holmes Norton.

  35. Slowpoke Rodriguez

    Witness Too :
    Did you ever stop to wonder what it is that would cause an ordinary American to have such a personal stake in denying the scientific method and putting their faith in oil profiteers and other polluters who are funding their delusions? Why? What do you have to gain from that? It’s not a religious matter, no it’s not a matter of faith. Or is it?
    I guess if you are really, really, really devoted to the Republican party, then one litmus test might be if you are willing to deny science. Maybe it is a gesture of faith. After all, they don’t pay you for your myopia, do they? They don’t reward you for believing conspiracy theories. What’s really at stake for the non-believers in science? I don’t get it.

    Uhhhhh…….Yeah.

  36. Mando

    Witness Too :
    I don’t get it.

    That’s because you’re caught up in the politics. Not the science.

  37. GainesvilleResident

    Moon-howler :
    I have been trying to avoid Cheetah and those White HOuse gate crashers from Front Royal. There was a big expose on channel 5 tonight about how they fleeced some repair shop for almost $600. I want the crashers to be prosecuted. I agree with Eleanor Holmes Norton.

    Those gate crashers have been involved in a lot of strange stuff. They have a history of getting in where they don’t belong. The Wash. Post reported the wife got to perform with former Redskins cheerleaders even though it appears she never was one. They profess to not know they did not have a real invite, but i don’t believe them. They ought to be prosecuted. I hope they get subpoenaed to appear before Congress to explain this under oath. If they had nothing to hide they would have gone voluntarily when they were invited to testify.

  38. They must be pathological. They certainly have gotten the attention they seek. Maybe they should consider a name change so that they have a little name recognition. It might also help with the trail of bad debt they are leaving behind in their wake.

  39. Witness Too

    That’s because you’re caught up in the politics. Not the science.

    Mando, that is certainly a good line. Is that what you were told the last time you talked about global warming with someone who knows a little bit about science?

    For me, science and religion can and should go hand in hand. Science is the discovery of God’s plans. But if your religion IS politics, or if politics has infected the way you practice religion, you end up DENYING science, and thereby denying God. I fear too many of those on the right wing extremist end of the spectrum fall into that category. This stolen email thing is like a religious sign for them. I think they are worshiping false idols with names like Palin and Limbaugh.

  40. hello

    Hi WitnessToo… I just read your post, I’m not sure if I understand what your trying to say. Science and religion can and should go hand in hand? And, religion is politics? I don’t get it or am I missing something your trying to say? Trust me, I’m not trying to be mean in any way at all, but I’m not sure I get what your trying to say…. can you elaborate?

  41. I think Witness too was just very profound. I need him to simplify it a little. It’s me, not him.

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