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	<title>Comments on: Governor McDonnell Reverses AG&#8217;s Advice on Protection for Gays</title>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny that the law hasn&#039;t changed, just the opinion of the sitting AG.  I would find that odd until I remind myself who the AG is.

What do we do about the fact that the protection is policy, not state law?  Haven&#039;t the Boards of Visitors been given the authority to set policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny that the law hasn&#8217;t changed, just the opinion of the sitting AG.  I would find that odd until I remind myself who the AG is.</p>
<p>What do we do about the fact that the protection is policy, not state law?  Haven&#8217;t the Boards of Visitors been given the authority to set policy?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 19:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Attorney General does not make policy. That job is left to the Governor/General Assembly. In this case, it appears that the AG did his assigned job which is to advise those involved regarding their actions under current Virginia law. It&#039;s the Governor&#039;s job to then either uphold or attempt to change the law-not the AG. Regardless of one&#039;s personal position on the topic in question it appears to me that the process was followed. Which in this day and age is refreshing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Attorney General does not make policy. That job is left to the Governor/General Assembly. In this case, it appears that the AG did his assigned job which is to advise those involved regarding their actions under current Virginia law. It&#8217;s the Governor&#8217;s job to then either uphold or attempt to change the law-not the AG. Regardless of one&#8217;s personal position on the topic in question it appears to me that the process was followed. Which in this day and age is refreshing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gainesville Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gainesville Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-76809&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-76809&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moon-howler&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
We aren’t telling them they can’t all live together in the marriage paradigm…we are saying that the government is only going to recognize 1 union at a time. I think that is fair.  If they want to divorce and remarry the next one, have at it.
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Now that&#039;s an interesting idea on how to solve the polygamy problem. Each &quot;wife&quot; gets her turn in the rotation - maybe every year you divorce one and marry the next one, and eventually you go back to the beginning and start over (assuming you don&#039;t have too many wives to the point where you never reach the end of the line before you die)! That sounds like a fair and equitable solution and meets the technical requirement that you are only married to one person at the time. If you want to consider the rest of them your &quot;wives&quot; or &quot;sister-wives&quot; or whatever it is they call them - that&#039;s fine! 

Of course, divorces are messy - and I could forsee messy financial issues with this approach. I guess that would be solved by prenuptial agreements though!</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-76809" rel="nofollow">Moon-howler</a> :</strong><br />
We aren’t telling them they can’t all live together in the marriage paradigm…we are saying that the government is only going to recognize 1 union at a time. I think that is fair.  If they want to divorce and remarry the next one, have at it.
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<p>Now that&#8217;s an interesting idea on how to solve the polygamy problem. Each &#8220;wife&#8221; gets her turn in the rotation &#8211; maybe every year you divorce one and marry the next one, and eventually you go back to the beginning and start over (assuming you don&#8217;t have too many wives to the point where you never reach the end of the line before you die)! That sounds like a fair and equitable solution and meets the technical requirement that you are only married to one person at the time. If you want to consider the rest of them your &#8220;wives&#8221; or &#8220;sister-wives&#8221; or whatever it is they call them &#8211; that&#8217;s fine! </p>
<p>Of course, divorces are messy &#8211; and I could forsee messy financial issues with this approach. I guess that would be solved by prenuptial agreements though!</p>
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		<title>By: Gainesville Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gainesville Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, many people (including myself) didn&#039;t get married in a religious setting. So, the more I think of it, it&#039;s all well and fine for the gov&#039;t to recognize religious marriages, but there still has to be some way of the gov&#039;t still doing civil ceremonies for those of us who aren&#039;t that religious, and marry someone outside of our religion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, many people (including myself) didn&#8217;t get married in a religious setting. So, the more I think of it, it&#8217;s all well and fine for the gov&#8217;t to recognize religious marriages, but there still has to be some way of the gov&#8217;t still doing civil ceremonies for those of us who aren&#8217;t that religious, and marry someone outside of our religion.</p>
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		<title>By: Gainesville Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gainesville Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-76801&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-76801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moon-howler&lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;
Ok gentleman, should the government even be in the business of deciding what is marriage and what isnt?  Shouldn’t they be recognizing the legalities of a union and leaving marriage to the churches and religious institutions?
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That sort of makes sense to me. It goes back to my statement that personally, I don&#039;t care whether it is a marriage recognized by the church, or one recognized by the gov&#039;t. 

Making those two things equal (the gov&#039;t just recognizing any church/religious marriage) sort of makes sense to me.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-76801" rel="nofollow">Moon-howler</a> :</strong><br />
Ok gentleman, should the government even be in the business of deciding what is marriage and what isnt?  Shouldn’t they be recognizing the legalities of a union and leaving marriage to the churches and religious institutions?
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<p>That sort of makes sense to me. It goes back to my statement that personally, I don&#8217;t care whether it is a marriage recognized by the church, or one recognized by the gov&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Making those two things equal (the gov&#8217;t just recognizing any church/religious marriage) sort of makes sense to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a marin kind of question.

Tax-person, I stand by my 1 at a time compromise.  That&#039;s what an entire group of people had to do to gain admission to the United States of America.  If muslims don&#039;t like it- TS.  If polygamists don&#039;t like it-TS.  

We aren&#039;t telling them they can&#039;t all live together in the marriage paradigm...we are saying that the government is only going to recognize 1 union at a time. I think that is fair.  If they want to divorce and remarry the next one, have at it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a marin kind of question.</p>
<p>Tax-person, I stand by my 1 at a time compromise.  That&#8217;s what an entire group of people had to do to gain admission to the United States of America.  If muslims don&#8217;t like it- TS.  If polygamists don&#8217;t like it-TS.  </p>
<p>We aren&#8217;t telling them they can&#8217;t all live together in the marriage paradigm&#8230;we are saying that the government is only going to recognize 1 union at a time. I think that is fair.  If they want to divorce and remarry the next one, have at it.</p>
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		<title>By: marinm</title>
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		<dc:creator>marinm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now THAT is a good question.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now THAT is a good question.  <img src='http://www.moonhowlings.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok gentleman, should the government even be in the business of deciding what is marriage and what isnt?  Shouldn&#039;t they be recognizing the legalities of a union and leaving marriage to the churches and religious institutions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok gentleman, should the government even be in the business of deciding what is marriage and what isnt?  Shouldn&#8217;t they be recognizing the legalities of a union and leaving marriage to the churches and religious institutions?</p>
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		<title>By: PWC Taxpayer</title>
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		<dc:creator>PWC Taxpayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;#commentbody-76794&quot;&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-76794&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moon-howler &lt;/a&gt; :&lt;/strong&gt;Tax-person…one more comment,... I also expect that mainstream LDS would oppose changing the law more than the rest of us.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed.  And I suspect they are just a little tired of taking the hits on poligamy.  Fact is there are more Muslims in America than Mormans and poligamy is accepted within the Koran and is a vibrant part of their community.  Nobody cares about what the Mormans want,  but the Muslims -- now that is a different story.  Either you are for discrimination in the relm of marrige or not.  Yes there can and should be some rules GR, but it canot be legal discrimination for one group, based on your personnal marrige preferences, and legal recognition for the other.</description>
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<strong><a href="#comment-76794" rel="nofollow">Moon-howler </a> :</strong>Tax-person…one more comment,&#8230; I also expect that mainstream LDS would oppose changing the law more than the rest of us.</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed.  And I suspect they are just a little tired of taking the hits on poligamy.  Fact is there are more Muslims in America than Mormans and poligamy is accepted within the Koran and is a vibrant part of their community.  Nobody cares about what the Mormans want,  but the Muslims &#8212; now that is a different story.  Either you are for discrimination in the relm of marrige or not.  Yes there can and should be some rules GR, but it canot be legal discrimination for one group, based on your personnal marrige preferences, and legal recognition for the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Gainesville Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gainesville Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, well to me I make no distinction between civil marriages and church/religious marriages - but then again I know a lot of people do. It is mainly that I&#039;m not that much of a religious or &quot;observant&quot; person within my religion. 

Anyway, as to Big Love, I wasn&#039;t sure if Bill Hendrickson was just trying to legitimize polygamy within the Mormon religion (even though the mainstream Mormon&#039;s no longer recognize polygmay) or get it more accepted by the greater society or the state of Utah. Then again, I admit to only have so far watched a little bit of the latest season. However, all that is a fictional TV series, so doesn&#039;t really matter. 

Anyway, it kind of boils down to the following - for me I really don&#039;t care what the gov&#039;t or a particular church/religion wants to recognize as marriage. Even including polygamy I suppose. Now, I know some of the polygamists think marrying off children is right - well that part isn&#039;t. So that part of polygamy is definitely not OK, but on the other hand some states seem to be OK with marrying off people under the age of 18 as long as there is some kind of consent or something. That doesn&#039;t make that right either of course. Whatever, for the most part it boils down to for me - I don&#039;t have a big problem with what the gov&#039;t or any religion wants to define as marriage between consenting adults. I guess the adult part is important and that takes out the crazy stuff with some polygamists wanting to marry underage women, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, well to me I make no distinction between civil marriages and church/religious marriages &#8211; but then again I know a lot of people do. It is mainly that I&#8217;m not that much of a religious or &#8220;observant&#8221; person within my religion. </p>
<p>Anyway, as to Big Love, I wasn&#8217;t sure if Bill Hendrickson was just trying to legitimize polygamy within the Mormon religion (even though the mainstream Mormon&#8217;s no longer recognize polygmay) or get it more accepted by the greater society or the state of Utah. Then again, I admit to only have so far watched a little bit of the latest season. However, all that is a fictional TV series, so doesn&#8217;t really matter. </p>
<p>Anyway, it kind of boils down to the following &#8211; for me I really don&#8217;t care what the gov&#8217;t or a particular church/religion wants to recognize as marriage. Even including polygamy I suppose. Now, I know some of the polygamists think marrying off children is right &#8211; well that part isn&#8217;t. So that part of polygamy is definitely not OK, but on the other hand some states seem to be OK with marrying off people under the age of 18 as long as there is some kind of consent or something. That doesn&#8217;t make that right either of course. Whatever, for the most part it boils down to for me &#8211; I don&#8217;t have a big problem with what the gov&#8217;t or any religion wants to define as marriage between consenting adults. I guess the adult part is important and that takes out the crazy stuff with some polygamists wanting to marry underage women, etc.</p>
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