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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2010/07/28/the-wannabe-delegate/comment-page-1/#comment-90625</link>
		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of people at the state level, I got a very nice letter from the governor today.  I guess I now need to write him about those liquor stores.  I will certainly say, he has been better than I thought he would be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of people at the state level, I got a very nice letter from the governor today.  I guess I now need to write him about those liquor stores.  I will certainly say, he has been better than I thought he would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2010/07/28/the-wannabe-delegate/comment-page-1/#comment-90591</link>
		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 20:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rez.  I think the issue is why they were stopped in the first place.  I know that enough of our BOCS members shied away from it, based on advice from the county attorney, to rein in the probable cause resolution and change it to a post arrest one.  

I can&#039;t begin to argue it with anyone though.  I know my limitations.  :roll:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rez.  I think the issue is why they were stopped in the first place.  I know that enough of our BOCS members shied away from it, based on advice from the county attorney, to rein in the probable cause resolution and change it to a post arrest one.  </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t begin to argue it with anyone though.  I know my limitations.  <img src='http://www.moonhowlings.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif' alt=':roll:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rez</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, Terry was a 8-1 decision with William Douglas dissenting.  Thurgood Marshall voted with the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, Terry was a 8-1 decision with William Douglas dissenting.  Thurgood Marshall voted with the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Rez</title>
		<link>http://www.moonhowlings.net/index.php/2010/07/28/the-wannabe-delegate/comment-page-1/#comment-90581</link>
		<dc:creator>Rez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, &quot;reasonable suspicion&quot; has been a legal standard for years.  Here is a cut and paste from wikipedia if people want to do further research.

Precedent

In Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a person can be stopped and briefly detained by a police officer based on a reasonable suspicion of involvement in a crime. If the officer additionally has reasonable suspicion that the person is armed, the officer may perform a search of the person&#039;s outer garments for weapons. Such a detention does not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizure, though it must be brief. Reasonable suspicion does not provide grounds for arrest; however, an arrest can be made if facts discovered during the detention provide probable cause that the suspect has committed a crime.

In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada the Court further established that a state may require, by law, that a person identify himself or herself to an officer during a stop; some states (e.g., Colorado[3]) require that a person detained provide additional information, but as of April 2010, the validity of such additional obligations has not come before the Supreme Court.

The whole article--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, &#8220;reasonable suspicion&#8221; has been a legal standard for years.  Here is a cut and paste from wikipedia if people want to do further research.</p>
<p>Precedent</p>
<p>In Terry v. Ohio, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that a person can be stopped and briefly detained by a police officer based on a reasonable suspicion of involvement in a crime. If the officer additionally has reasonable suspicion that the person is armed, the officer may perform a search of the person&#8217;s outer garments for weapons. Such a detention does not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizure, though it must be brief. Reasonable suspicion does not provide grounds for arrest; however, an arrest can be made if facts discovered during the detention provide probable cause that the suspect has committed a crime.</p>
<p>In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada the Court further established that a state may require, by law, that a person identify himself or herself to an officer during a stop; some states (e.g., Colorado[3]) require that a person detained provide additional information, but as of April 2010, the validity of such additional obligations has not come before the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>The whole article&#8211;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasonable_suspicion</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bruce.  Good to see you.  Glad you dropped by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bruce.  Good to see you.  Glad you dropped by.</p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>George, you bring up some interesting questions.  I don&#039;t know why the Corey Campaign hasn&#039;t thought of those questions.  If they had, I don&#039;t think they wouuld be posing to make them Virginia law.

I wonder how Cuccinelli is mulling over the latest AZ rulings.  As an attorney, I would think he would be better versed in the law, especially Constitutional law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George, you bring up some interesting questions.  I don&#8217;t know why the Corey Campaign hasn&#8217;t thought of those questions.  If they had, I don&#8217;t think they wouuld be posing to make them Virginia law.</p>
<p>I wonder how Cuccinelli is mulling over the latest AZ rulings.  As an attorney, I would think he would be better versed in the law, especially Constitutional law.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Roemmelt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Roemmelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the first thing a researcher learns (i know it&#039;s science and not a modern day LSD trip like Corey&#039;s on)...

CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the first thing a researcher learns (i know it&#8217;s science and not a modern day LSD trip like Corey&#8217;s on)&#8230;</p>
<p>CORRELATION IS NOT CAUSATION!</p>
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		<title>By: Moon-howler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moon-howler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know where that came from...re Corey  @Twinad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know where that came from&#8230;re Corey  @Twinad.</p>
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		<title>By: TWINAD</title>
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		<dc:creator>TWINAD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey got fired last year?!  LOL.  I wish he would get &quot;fired&quot; from the county job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey got fired last year?!  LOL.  I wish he would get &#8220;fired&#8221; from the county job.</p>
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		<title>By: George S. Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>George S. Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 21:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lemme see if I have got this right--native born or not, I must carry proof that I am here legally.  As a native born American, does this mean I must carry a copy of my birth certificate at all times?  

Let&#039;s say I am driving through the state and I get a call on my cellphone from my cousin who lives in Canada,  He wants me to send him $500 so he can take advantage of a good deal and I agree.  I&#039;m still this same native born American so I have to pay $5.00 tax to send money to my cousin in Canada.  Now since I don&#039;t live in Virginia and therefore won&#039;t be filing a state income tax return, I guess I lose my $5.00--right?  

If a taxi driver knowingly picks up an illegal immigrant to take him to the bank to send $500 home and he gets stopped for whatever violation, and the cop asks the passenger of ID and he doesn&#039;t have any and it is proven he is here illegally--is the taxi driver guilty of transporting an illegal alien and thus subject to fine/jail?  

I am a white, WASP from Germany who immigrated here 20 years ago and have been an American citizen for 10 years.  I still have a heavy accent since I came here as an adult and have had a hard time learning English.  I get stopped for speeding, I show the policeman my drivers&#039; license and auto registration.  Because I have an accent, am I going to be asked to produce my &quot;papers&quot;?  If I don&#039;t have them--they are in my safe deposit box--am I going to get hauled off to jail?  If so, and there is no one available to get my &quot;papers&quot; out of the safe deposit box, will I remain in jail indefinitely?  

What is the standard for determining that, &quot;there is reasonable suspicion that the person detained is an illegal immigrant.&quot;  Is the color of my skin?  Is it my accent?  Is it the fact that I can&#039;t produce my &quot;papers&quot;?  And BTW, what &quot;papers&quot; must I be able to produce?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lemme see if I have got this right&#8211;native born or not, I must carry proof that I am here legally.  As a native born American, does this mean I must carry a copy of my birth certificate at all times?  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say I am driving through the state and I get a call on my cellphone from my cousin who lives in Canada,  He wants me to send him $500 so he can take advantage of a good deal and I agree.  I&#8217;m still this same native born American so I have to pay $5.00 tax to send money to my cousin in Canada.  Now since I don&#8217;t live in Virginia and therefore won&#8217;t be filing a state income tax return, I guess I lose my $5.00&#8211;right?  </p>
<p>If a taxi driver knowingly picks up an illegal immigrant to take him to the bank to send $500 home and he gets stopped for whatever violation, and the cop asks the passenger of ID and he doesn&#8217;t have any and it is proven he is here illegally&#8211;is the taxi driver guilty of transporting an illegal alien and thus subject to fine/jail?  </p>
<p>I am a white, WASP from Germany who immigrated here 20 years ago and have been an American citizen for 10 years.  I still have a heavy accent since I came here as an adult and have had a hard time learning English.  I get stopped for speeding, I show the policeman my drivers&#8217; license and auto registration.  Because I have an accent, am I going to be asked to produce my &#8220;papers&#8221;?  If I don&#8217;t have them&#8211;they are in my safe deposit box&#8211;am I going to get hauled off to jail?  If so, and there is no one available to get my &#8220;papers&#8221; out of the safe deposit box, will I remain in jail indefinitely?  </p>
<p>What is the standard for determining that, &#8220;there is reasonable suspicion that the person detained is an illegal immigrant.&#8221;  Is the color of my skin?  Is it my accent?  Is it the fact that I can&#8217;t produce my &#8220;papers&#8221;?  And BTW, what &#8220;papers&#8221; must I be able to produce?</p>
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