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Open Thread……………………………………………Tuesday, May 31

May 31st, 2011

Not much happening around here.

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  1. marinm
    May 31st, 2011 at 10:07 | #2

    Cindy, did you see this one as well?

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/crime-scene/post/va-considers-privatizing-sex-offender-program/2011/05/26/AGDvzxBH_blog.html

    RICHMOND, Va. — Virginia officials are considering privatizing a costly and rapidly expanding program that indefinitely detains sex offenders who’ve already served their prison sentences.

    The Miami Herald’s story has much more details. Interesting proposal.

  2. May 31st, 2011 at 11:24 | #3

    If they have served their time, why are they being detained? Please don’t think I am soft ono sex offenders. I wouldn’t mind if some of them got the death penalty, but it seems so …UNAmerican.

  3. May 31st, 2011 at 11:40 | #4

    Did Cargo make it back to Virginia after a weekend of machine gunning?

  4. Dan Cooper
    May 31st, 2011 at 13:52 | #5

    Can we now add just one more “YOU LIE!” to Obama’s forever growing list of lies? Thought that he said our involvement would only last “days not weeks” in Libya… what does today make? Day 70′something AND A BILLION DOLLARS PLUS WE DONT HAVE? When is MSNBC (or anyone) going to start calling for his impeachment, or trial for war crimes, for an unjust and illegal war? Especially one in which we are now involved in for MONTHS, not the DAYS he promised? For that matter, according to his own logic, why is O-BOMB-YA not taking action in Syria?

    Where are the calls for war crimes, impeachment, etc.. from the left? Where is Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan?

  5. Dan Cooper
    May 31st, 2011 at 14:30 | #6

    Only one politician is calling it how he sees it… Ron Paul, talking about Obama, “he is a warmonger”. FINALLY! Someone with balls.

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/14/congressman-ron-paul-slams-obama-hes-a-warmonger/

  6. mr obvious
    May 31st, 2011 at 14:47 | #7

    @Dan Cooper
    something to think about…

  7. marinm
    May 31st, 2011 at 15:23 | #8

    No doubt that Mr. Obama has no problems with exerting American dominance in locales that may or may not need it but the problem lies less on Obama and more on the feet of Congress.

    Congress has the authority to stop/start wars and cut/increase funding as they please.

    As I said some time back we were in the middle of Pelosi’s War(s). That’s changed now. We’re in the middle of Boehner’s War(s).

    MH, internment camps are still legal as well.

  8. May 31st, 2011 at 17:20 | #9

    It looks like Senator Colgan will run for the 29th district again, despite rumors to the contrary. I guess it pays not to listen to gossip.

  9. June 1st, 2011 at 07:10 | #10

    @CindyB

    Since 2009, 10 prisons have closed? These numbers are so artificial. Just pick up News & Messenger. Crime isn’t going down. Are these people being sentenced? The state is going on the cheap. Who pays for that? US! We have to live with criminals.

    If Virginia has so much empty prison space then rent it out to other states who have overcrowding and bring in some much needed revenue.

    Oh I forgot, states shouldn’t be in the position of making money. Sure they should!!!

    Wasn’[t that new prison privately built?

  10. June 1st, 2011 at 07:14 | #11

    @marin,

    How can people just be held after their sentences are up? It seems to be that it would be more honest (and I use that word loosely) to turn them loose, put a tail on them, and pick them up the instant they perv…go through a trial, lock them up. Throw away the key this time after conviction.

  11. Steve Randolph
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:38 | #12

    http://historicmanassas.mymediaroom.com/wire/events/viewevent.aspx?id-11019

    Hope to see you all there!

    (Hint: Would purchase train tickets prior to Sat. if possible – they sell out early.)

  12. Steve Randolph
    June 1st, 2011 at 12:42 | #13

    http://historicmanassas.mymediaroom.com/wire/events/viewevent.aspx?id=11019

    Google “Historic Manassas Inc.” website for more info.

  13. marinm
    June 1st, 2011 at 13:56 | #14

    @Moon-howler

    I hear where your coming from because I come to this with the idea that personal civil liberties > government. And, I do have a problem in the deep pit of my gut with allowing the government to have a “At Her Majesty’s Pleasure” card to play. How I square this in my mind is that the government already has the right to incarcerate someone with mental defect for as long as they pose a threat. In this case if both the government and impartial doctors deem the person a threat the government holds that person until such time that he can be cleared. So, they’re not being held for the crime they’ve already paid for or the future crime that we’re potentially preventing but for the mental incapacity they have.

    At least that’s what I tell myself. That the doctors act as a final check over the government giving the imprisoned his due process rights.

  14. June 1st, 2011 at 17:48 | #15

    @Moon-howler
    I survived! Just got my internet back. Everything was dead….cable, phone, and internet, when I arrived home on Monday!

    IT WAS A BLAST! ;) WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!

    Cannons! .50 cal Ma Deuce! (couldn’t shoot it :( ) MP-40! Squidette shot this one too! MP-5! Pistols! Glock 18! Rifles! More sub-machine guns! Burning cars! Tanks firing and crushing cars! Exploding refrigerators! Cannon balls destroying a bus! Anti-tank guns destroying cars! SWAT helicopters! Water cooled machine guns from WWI! Celebrities! (well gun blog celebrities!) Great food! Did I say Machine guns?! Millions of crazed dive bombing cicadas!

    And one very angry, annoyed, pissed off, disgruntled snapping turtle. But that’s another story.

  15. June 1st, 2011 at 18:37 | #16

    Marin, that’s a tough one. Constitutionally it stinks. As a human being I think that people who are sexual predators should be kept away from society.

    I would probably ditch the Constitution and lock them up forever. Screw them. Sexual predators are a disease and a scurge on society.

  16. June 1st, 2011 at 18:39 | #17

    @Cargo,

    Welcome home. Everyone has been looking for you. Actually, it sounds like you went to terrorist camp. :twisted:

    Glad you had a good time. Sorry you came home to no power etc. Did Mrs. Cargo go also?

    We want to hear the snapping turtle story.

  17. June 1st, 2011 at 20:17 | #18

    Mrs. Cargo and Squidette went with me. They spent the day by the pool and at the zoo. They rode a camel at the zoo!

    Terrorist camp?! The farthest thing from it. It was the purest elements of American Freedoms! Though a SWAT team members reply to a blogger question, ” Would you ever do a raid on one of these guy’s homes?” was “Nah! Airstrike….”

    Mrs. Cargo was able to shoot a KRISS. That’s a new Swiss .45 cal weapon that can be configured as a submachine gun or a carbine. Its a low recoil weapon with full power ammo. Even she was able to handle it on full auto – 1200 rpm. They want it to be the new Tommy gun.

    Squidette shot the semi-auto silenced version and a German WWII MP-40 on automatic, along with some pistols and a .22 rifle. She also found a cannon ball, 2 grapeshot, and a round from a civil war canister round – similar to a shotgun round for cannons, along with various spent bullets. Big grins.

    As for the turtle wrestling story….I have to sort out that story in my head first…….the horror…the horror….. that sharp beak…soooo close…..

    Pictures will be up at the blog soon.

  18. Wolverine
    June 2nd, 2011 at 00:25 | #19

    Cargo, get ahold of yourself, lad! All that firepower available, and a mere snapping turtle almost carried the day?!!! No Eagle Scouts around to bail out you tough guys with guns? No Brownies? No Campfire Girls?

  19. June 2nd, 2011 at 01:22 | #20

    @Wolverine
    The turtle …incident…..happened on I-81, not at the shoot. Who knew that snapping turtles had such….extendable……necks. Besides, firepower would be contraindicated when one is trying to rescue said ungrateful turtle…….

    The full story will be told tomorrow. I’ll put it on the blog….. Heck with turtles! I almost lost an eye!

  20. Lafayette
    June 2nd, 2011 at 08:06 | #21

    Mr. Randolph,
    The family and I will be there Saturday. Thanks for the hint about the excursion tickets. I’ll be sure and say hi, if I see you there. I was glad to see Holly Morris promoting this weekend yesterday from the Harris Pavillion.

  21. June 2nd, 2011 at 11:07 | #22

    No one from my crew answered about the train so I guess no tickets this year.

  22. June 2nd, 2011 at 11:08 | #23

    Cargo, waiting still on that snapping turtle story……

  23. cargosquid
    June 2nd, 2011 at 13:25 | #24

    @Moon-howler
    Hey!

    I’m getting there! Its been a busy day!

    Besides, I’m just now getting over the shakes when I think about that ..that..horrible…maw….snapping…snapping…..

  24. cargosquid
    June 2nd, 2011 at 13:48 | #25

    “British citizens who smoke, drink, or tip the scales because they’ve eaten too many fish and chips could soon be denied medical treatment for lifestyle-related illnesses. It’s a system the United States will be forced to implement under ObamaCare. ”

    http://www.qando.net/?p=10894

    hmmmmm, isn’t President Obama in favor of single payer, government run health care?

  25. Big Dog
    June 2nd, 2011 at 14:05 | #26

    The misery index shot up for the stock market over the few days.
    My poor 401K is feeling under the weather again.

    Remember when “W” and the GOP wanted to throw social security into
    “free market” stocks? (Of course it might have helped Medicare cost by suddenly
    just killing thousands of us boomers and seniors with massive heart attacks.)

  26. Lafayette
    June 2nd, 2011 at 14:12 | #27

    Let’s see how Moon feels about me dropping the F-bomb on her. Be sure and checkout this article on The Commonwealth’s LARGEST county FAIR(Moon’s F-word). Enjoy!! :twisted:
    http://www2.insidenova.com/news/2011/jun/02/prince-william-county-fair-gearing-comeback-ar-1081270/

  27. Big Dog
    June 2nd, 2011 at 15:19 | #28

    “Greatest Grandparents Contest is being discontinued due to lack of interest.”

    A sad sign of the times.

  28. June 2nd, 2011 at 19:26 | #29

    @Big Dog, that truly is sad. I adored my grandparents. Is this local or national?

    I think it is a sign of how little regard our society has for older people in general.

  29. Steve Randolph
    June 2nd, 2011 at 20:47 | #30

    http://manassas.patch.com/articles/hair-raising-beach-bash-event-at-old-towne-sports-pub-to-benefit-pediatric-cancer-research

    FYI – another great event in Old Town Manassas Saturday – just a short walk up
    Center Street from the Railroad Festival.

  30. Wolverine
    June 2nd, 2011 at 22:12 | #31

    Well, Cargo, while you are crafting your turtle saga, I’ll slip mine in. Picture a beautiful inland lake in Michigan. I’m in a small boat with my younger brother, my father, and my elderly grandfather. We are fishing. Suddenly we hear a lot of yelling from a nearby boat. We look up and see two guys standing in the back of a rowboat with an outboard motor. The boat is rocking back and forth dangerously. The two guys are yelling. They are also throwing cushions, fishing tackle boxes, gas cans, and and all kinds of other stuff toward the front of that boat. Upon further examination, we see that they had hooked a huge snapping turtle and dragged it into their boat. I don’t know. Turtle soup maybe? In any case, the snapping turtle immediately assumed command. You could see that vicious beak snapping like crazy as he was making his way toward the two guys. The two guys in the back were terrorized. Finally they managed to use the boat oars to ease the angry turtle out of the boat and back into the lake, although I think one of the oar blades took a major hit.

    Me: “Grandpa, look at those guys over there!”

    Grandpa (after a cursory glance): “Stupid idiots.”

  31. cargosquid
    June 2nd, 2011 at 22:15 | #32

    Turtle story is up! The horror…the horro…ok you get it.

    http://unitedconservatives.blogspot.com/2011/06/turtle-wrasslin-after-lucky-gunner.html

  32. punchak
    June 2nd, 2011 at 23:03 | #33

    @Moon-howler

    I’m not sure I agree with you on this. A lot of grandparents are working these days, or playing tennis or golfing, and have little time for grandkids. Grandkids, for their part, are so tightly scheduled that they don’t have time for grandparents Furthermore, many grandparents live 100s or 1000s of miles away.

    It’s not like olden days with a standard Sunday dinner at grandma’s.

    Besides, who’s to judge who the Greatest Grandparents are? Sounds pretty silly to me.

  33. punchak
    June 2nd, 2011 at 23:11 | #34

    Turtle story not to be read just before going to bed.
    Nightmares likely to follow.

    Thanks for a good laugh cargo!

  34. Morris Davis
    June 2nd, 2011 at 23:26 | #35

    At a noncampaign/nonpublicity seeking tour bus stop, Sarah Palin delivered a recount of the tale of the midnight ride of Paul Revere that was as compelling as it was inaccurate, just the way her worshipers like it. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-cnn-anchors-deadpan-reaction-to-sarah-palins-version-of-paul-reveres-midnight-ride/

  35. marinm
    June 2nd, 2011 at 23:29 | #36

    Turtle story was funny. No good deed goes unpunished.

    Cargo, not sure if you’re into online games but may want to try out World of Tanks. Free online game. Pretty fun. I love manning a SPG (Self Propelled Gun or otherwise known as artillery) and raining down death on the commies or the germans. I refuse to drive any tank that’s not AMERICAN. ;)

    The Weiner story keeps getting funnier. Oh, and the economy is now in the toilet. WOOHOO!!

  36. cargosquid
    June 2nd, 2011 at 23:37 | #37

    @marinm
    My wife just said that. “No good deed goes unpunished.”LOL.

    I’ll have to try it. Yet ANOTHER thing that’s going to keep me up at night.

    Besides turtles, that is….

  37. Wolverine
    June 3rd, 2011 at 03:53 | #38

    Been wondering where Moe Davis was. I just took a look at the plans being made for future endeavors by the board of the Crimes of War Project. No wonder we haven’t heard much from Moe lately. There are some very good articles posted there by, inter alia, Dworkin and Iliopoulos, on subjects which ought to be a read for anyone interested in such things as the war on terror, the drone program, targeted killings of terrorists in general, and on the Israeli-Hamas conflict and how all of these may or may not fit into modern conceptions of the laws of war. Whether you wind up agreeing or not with the conclusions in those articles, the legal arguments presented are well worth the effort to read and consider. It could give a good intellectual framework for watching what might happen in the future with regard to the leadership in Libya, Syria, and perhaps even Yemen, among others.

  38. Cato the Elder
    June 3rd, 2011 at 09:23 | #39

    Big Dog :
    The misery index shot up for the stock market over the few days.
    My poor 401K is feeling under the weather again.

    The beatings will continue until morale improves: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Employment-growth-brakes-rb-325963585.html?x=0&.v=3

  39. June 3rd, 2011 at 15:13 | #40

    @punchak
    The kids decide, as they always have.

    My only point is that there is less regard for older citizenry in this country compared to other countries. Japan seems to pop into my mind.

    Many grandparent are raising their grandchildren. I have several friends who have a much higher regard for their grandparents than for their parents. I suppose there are no sweeping generalizations here.

  40. June 3rd, 2011 at 15:14 | #41

    @Cato the Elder

    Morale would improve greatly if the stupid ass cable channels would give it a rest. The doom and gloom gets analyzed to death long before the markets even open. If you tell someone how to think, most likely they will.

  41. June 3rd, 2011 at 15:15 | #42

    John Edwards indicted. He stands a chance of going to prison for 5 years on campaign illegalities.

  42. June 3rd, 2011 at 15:17 | #43

    @cargosquid
    I thought WE were getting the exclusive. *I* wanted to publish it. Waaaahhhhhhh

  43. June 3rd, 2011 at 15:25 | #44

    Speechless here. I was watching Faux News when Edwards and his oldest daughter walked out of wherever he was. Some woman in the background on the faux channel can be heard whispering ‘what a big ass.’ I think they were speaking of Miss Edwards. Perhaps they were speaking of John in general.

    OOOOPPPPPS.

  44. Cato the Elder
    June 3rd, 2011 at 16:17 | #45

    @Moon-howler

    LOL. You mean cable news shows parade bears who are short to the orbit of Mars to talk about how bad things are and how much worse they will get in the hopes of manipulating the market in one direction or another?

    • June 3rd, 2011 at 16:57 | #46

      I doubt that professional investors pay much attention, Cato but I think the personal investors very much feel the doldrums when doom and gloom starts.

  45. Morris Davis
    June 3rd, 2011 at 17:37 | #47

    Wolverine,

    Thanks for the kind words. We are working on making our site more user-friendly and interactive. We posted a new article today on torture: http://bit.ly/kvCZjD

  46. Big Dog
    June 3rd, 2011 at 17:44 | #48

    http://savannahnow.com/column/2011-06-02/tolar-harvest-plenty-georgia-workers-are-few

    FYI — immigrants aren’t taking the jobs – nobody is taking the jobs- and billions
    of dollars of food rot in the field. Time to look for a rational “Plan B”.

  47. Wolverine
    June 3rd, 2011 at 18:03 | #49

    I just saw a report about an elementary school principal in Dubuque County, Iowa, who has been arrested for having child porn on his computer. He also admitted, apparently, to placing a hidden camera in the boys’ bathroom and taking pictures of the kids.

    What in Hell has gone wrong with this country?!!!!

  48. Juturna
    June 3rd, 2011 at 20:48 | #50

    Child predators gravitate to jobs with children. Always have.

  49. marinm
    June 3rd, 2011 at 20:49 | #51

    @Big Dog

    We could try getting rid of this 99-week unemployment idea to force people to work for their wages and meals.

  50. Big Dog
    June 3rd, 2011 at 21:33 | #52

    marinim,
    Unemployment benefits last a max of 26 weeks in Georgia.

    Supply and demand should come into balance at some point -
    what would get more folks out in the Georgia summer sun “picking and
    hauling” for 10-12 hours a day? $20 an hour? Of course as that
    plays out across the country, your food bill will go up.

  51. June 4th, 2011 at 10:13 | #53

    Are people making $20 an hour for doing stoop work?

  52. June 4th, 2011 at 10:19 | #54

    @Big Dog

    It sounds like Georgia might want to rethink that hard stance they took on illegal immigration. Just a thought.

    Further proof there is just no free lunch.

  53. Cargosquid
    June 4th, 2011 at 21:38 | #55

    Vast majority of House demands that the President “must explain himself or else face future consequences, possibly including having funds for the war cut off.”

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/3/bipartisan-congress-rebuffs-obama-libya-mission/

    Of course, all this is smoke and mirrors. The resolutions were non-binding and he has TWO weeks to come up with a story. If they had meant it, they would have written a resolution denouncing his illegal act of war against a country that was not a threat, had not shot at Americans, and his lack of asking Congress for authority.

  54. Morris Davis
    June 5th, 2011 at 09:46 | #56

    Here’s an article on the correlation between unemployment and home foreclosures. http://www.startribune.com/business/123164298.html I am not the Morris Davis quoted in the article, but he is a friend and a very smart professor of economics.

    marinm – “force people to work for their wages and meals.” Is there any reliable data suggesting people are just laying around on the dole and shunning work? It seems like whenever there is a hiring opportunity the number of people trying to get work far, far exceeds the number of openings.

  55. marinm
    June 5th, 2011 at 12:14 | #57

    @Morris Davis

    Sort of. We (welfare society) fall into the trap where a person simply has to appear to be looking for gainful employment in order to satisfy that requirement to get unemployment and other public assistance. Or, you have the issue my wife has where she needs people to do temporary work but because they’ve met their requirement with the government on minimum/maximum hours that they refuse work assignments in order to maintain that government assistance.

    We (society) also need to stop pushing this idea that only a college degree or education is the route to prosperity in this country. We push out a lot of kids that can analyze Dante but not many that can (or are willing!) to turn wrenches.

    http://dsc.discovery.com/fansites/dirtyjobs/mike-rowe-senate-testimony.html

  56. Steve Randolph
    June 6th, 2011 at 12:36 | #58

    http://www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/economic_recovery_program.cfm

    Like today,thirty years ago Republicans felt “Government is too big and
    spends too much”.

    BUT they also worked with Democrats. “Both sides of the aisle communicated
    in a spirt of candor, openess and mustual respect” and were willing to raise
    taxes a small amount as part of bipartisan budget resolution that included major
    spending cuts.

    Times change, and not always for the better.

  57. Dan Cooper
    June 6th, 2011 at 13:53 | #59

    Oh no, scumbag Anthony Weiner (D-NY) has some more pics that he has sent to young women around the country. I feel so sorry for his wife, I can maybe buy one photo being sent via being hacked but wow. This doesn’t look good for this slimy P.O.S.. This shows that not only did he send the first pic but that he is a flat out liar.

    http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/06/06/deja-vu-another-congressman-bares-naked-torso-and-more-for-online-pal/#more-279716

  58. June 6th, 2011 at 14:07 | #60

    Why, oh why can’t some good looking female politician email bare nekkid pics? Now that would be interesting news!

  59. SlowpokeRodriguez
    June 6th, 2011 at 14:49 | #61

    Actually, another female is coming forward with what she claims is over 200 explicit messages from Tony Weiner. Weinergate gets bigger and bigger. You don’t even have to try make jokes about this!

  60. SlowpokeRodriguez
    June 6th, 2011 at 14:51 | #62

    Question: Does Anthony’s Weiner have its own twitter account or facebook page? That NEEDS to happen! It can “friend” Obama’s teleprompter and the robo-pen!

  61. Cato the Elder
    June 6th, 2011 at 15:47 | #63
  62. Dan Cooper
    June 6th, 2011 at 16:06 | #64

    Oh boy, this isn’t good… for anyone, right or left. CBO hires Obama Administration official, who played a key role in getting Obamacare passed, to provide ‘objective’ healthcare budget numbers.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/06/06/cbo-hires-obamacare-advocate-to-provide-objective-health-care-budget-numbers/

  63. marinm
    June 6th, 2011 at 16:43 | #65

    Before Rep. Weiner admited that the photo was him AND that he’s sent out other photo’s before AND that he does not intend to resign.. This is just fresh sea salt on the open wound.

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56359.html

    Andrew Breitbart takes over Anthony Weiner news conference

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0611/56359.html#ixzz1OWx72FOa

  64. June 6th, 2011 at 17:34 | #66

    @marinm

    I am going to agree with you about the mentality in this country where everyone has to go to college. First off, nationally we have about a 25% high school drop out rate. That is horrible and says to me that high school is irrelevant to many people.

    I think the biggest short coming in education is the lack of vocational training. Not everyone can or should be in college. Many people cannot afford it. Bring the technical training down to high school level for those kids who don’t like or want post graduate academic training.

  65. June 6th, 2011 at 17:37 | #67

    @Dan Cooper

    Just remember that Rep. Weiner being a scum bag does not make Andrew Brietbart any less of a POS. He is not exonerated.

    Breitbart should recognize a liar anywhere since he has had so much practice at weasel wording and yellow journalism.

  66. June 6th, 2011 at 17:38 | #68

    Read the whole thing! Hilarious! The comments too!

    http://www.redstate.com/rogershru2/2011/06/05/so-and-so-is-the-true-rino/

    Excerpt:
    So and So is the true RINO!

    So and so has changed positions on more issues than my favorite candidate. Sure, my favorite candidate has changed positions as well, but their changes were the result of experience and wisdom gained while my favorite candidate went through their singularly unique path to the presidency. Reagan is a good example.

    So and so, on the other hand, is merely showing their opportunism when they change positions. Reagan would never do such a thing.

    So and so compromised their principles while they were in a prior leadership position. I disagree with things that happened during their time. This is analogous to what George Bush did. Ronald Reagan, on the other hand, would never do such a thing.

    My favorite candidate, on the other hand, never compromised their principles while in a prior leadership position. Every piece of legislation during this time period is agreeable to me. And even those that are not agreeable to me, were necessary and/or out of the conceivable control of my favorite candidate. Ronald Reagan sometimes found himself in just such a situation.

  67. Wolverine
    June 6th, 2011 at 18:20 | #69

    Moe, you just gave me my laugh for the day. I swear. Every time I have surfed the web to find some of your postings, I run into Professor Morris Davis. Now I find that he is a friend of yours. Small world. Thanks for the chuckle.

  68. June 6th, 2011 at 22:49 | #70

    Why I’m skeptical of AGW.

    I’m not denying that the world MAY be warming, but that I’m skeptical that WE are the cause.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/

    Scroll through, take your time, and read the comments. Excellent stuff.

    There is no consensus.

  69. June 6th, 2011 at 23:11 | #71

    @Cargo, you might want to replant that last comment.

    Why on earth wouldn’t we be the cause? Factories, cars, coal, etc?

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