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Open Thread ……………………………………Thursday, September 29

September 29th, 2011


One last round of sunflowers before the chill hits the air.  Then we go to mums. 

Will it ever stop raining?  Will the mugginess ever go away?

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  1. September 29th, 2011 at 08:52 | #1

    Goldie Hawn is on Morning Joe. Lots of botox there. She has a book out called 10 Mindful Minutes.

    The morning crew is discussing a safe zone for kids where there is no noise, homework, etc. 4 hours of homework is too much.

    Do kids have more stress than a generation ago?

    Lindsay Buckingham of Fleetwood Mac is up next. A blast from the past.

  2. Lafayette
    September 29th, 2011 at 09:04 | #2

    Don’t forget there’s a debate tonight at Four Points by Sheraton in Manassas of the Va. Senate and HOD 13th districts.
    For more information visit PW Committe of 100’s website..
    Fall Candidate Forum Series

    Thurs, Sept. 29, Four Points by Sheraton
    Four Points by Sheraton,
    10800 Vandor Lane, Manassas (next to I-66)
    (See Inclement Weather Policy below.)
    6:30 pm Social Hour (cash bar)
    7:00 pm Dinner (advance reservations required*)
    7:30 pm Program

    Moderator: Bruce DePuyt, Host of News Talk – News Channel 8

    Senate District 13 (open seat): former Del. Dick Black (R) vs. Shawn Mitchell (D)

    House of Delegates District 13: Del. Bob Marshall* (R) vs. Carl Genthner (D)

    * = incumbent

  3. Lafayette
    September 29th, 2011 at 09:06 | #3

    Pardon me, it’s a Candidate Forum, not a debate.
    I really hate the idea of being in the 13th anything. But why the HOD’s 13th of all things? 👿

  4. September 29th, 2011 at 09:18 | #4

    Oh give it up, we all know you have a secret crush on Del. Bob

  5. Lafayette
    September 29th, 2011 at 09:30 | #5

    I guess that’s why the Mrs. came to my door, and he worked the other side. My mom had the pleasure. :)

    I knew I should have made the request..no commentary from Mom, please.

  6. September 29th, 2011 at 09:32 | #6

    Oh Dear God, I almost lost my dinner last night, Mom.

    I hate being in the 13th also. It makes me sick.

  7. Lafayette
    September 29th, 2011 at 09:34 | #7

    No doubt!

    Did they visit your house? Or how about yours, Mom?

  8. Rick Bentley
    September 29th, 2011 at 11:16 | #8

    Fascinating that CNN.com and Washington Post have barely mentioned the Alabama decision. It’s as if they don’t know how to process it and are waiting for some kind of effective way to spin the story from their masters.

    (By contrast, the marionettes at FOX News always know instantly how to spin a story).

  9. September 29th, 2011 at 11:22 | #9

    I haven’t done a thread on it either Rick, because I don’t know how to process it. It is inconsistent. I need more information before I can even comment. The school part is very disturbing to me.

  10. September 29th, 2011 at 11:22 | #10

    @Laf, no they had better not even come on the property.

  11. Rick Bentley
    September 29th, 2011 at 11:41 | #11

    I’m sure it’s disturbing to a lot of people. Which is why you would expect the story to be trumpeted as big news, wouldn’t you? It seems to me that the world is shifting under the feet of illegal immigration supporters, and they literally don’t know how to react.

    We’re moving towards each state being able to take steps to curb illegal immigration. Probably the Supreme Court won’t ban all these attempts, what with states having actual rights and all, and the federal Government’s inability to lead forward.

  12. September 29th, 2011 at 12:22 | #12

    I expect the Alabama law will be challenged and parts will be overturned. That school information just wont pass constitutional muster because the schools do not need the information with Pyler v Doe as standing law.

  13. George S. Harris
    September 29th, 2011 at 13:08 | #13
  14. George S. Harris
    September 29th, 2011 at 13:15 | #14

    Oooopppps–hit the wrong button.


    So parts have been challenged and some have been held in abeyance by U.S. District Judge Sharon Lovelace Blackburn. I wonder if the State of Alabama is going to challenge the District Court’s ruling. Is this how the Balkanization of America begins? Some people are in favor of the states going their own way the just let one little disaster happen and they are all screaming for the Feds.

    I read that Eric Cantor, the hypocrit, has been putting the pressure on to get disaster funds for his district while at the same time attempting to deny similar funds to others worse off.

  15. George S. Harris
    September 29th, 2011 at 13:28 | #15

    If you have ever wondered why we need some sort of national health insurance, just read this article. An example of what your premiums go for–the total compensation for the CEO of Aetna in 2010 was $20,730,968.00, including stock options. That ‘s just the tip of the iceberg. If I have read things right, he has another $174,000,000+ plus in unexercised stock options. And yet Congress cannot agree that the citizens are in need of some sort of support/help.

    Health Insurers Seek Higher Premiums

    The cost of health insurance this year rose more steeply than in previous years, outstripping wages and adding uncertainty about the pace of growing costs…
    Aetna made a $1.8 billion profit in 2010, up 28 percent from the $1.4 billion the company made in 2009. Profit is good but is this much profit reasonable?


  16. George S. Harris
    September 29th, 2011 at 13:33 | #16

    Well,if you missed the big Stewart Rally and forgot to put you check in the mail, you still have a chance to help good ol’ Corey:

    Dear Friend,

    As we approach the General Election in November, I would like to take this time to notify you of upcoming volunteer opportunities for our campaign.

    On October 1st our campaign will host a joint door-to-door event with Jeff Frederick’s state senate campaign! Will you join us at the Frederick Campaign Headquarters at 9:30 AM for this joint walk between our two great campaigns!?

    We will also be phone banking on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 6 PM to 9 PM at Gregory Construction, 9410 Prince William St, Manassas, VA 20110. We could really use your help in spreading the word about our record of proven results in Prince William County. I hope that you’ll join our grassroots campaign today!

    Corey Stewart

    P.S. We are approaching our end of the quarter fundraising deadline! Will you contribute $5 to our campaign to help us reach our goal?

  17. Second Alamo
    September 30th, 2011 at 06:55 | #17

    From CNN:

    “Calling it “a negative milestone” in Hispanics’ explosive growth in the United States, the Pew Hispanic Center study said in 2010, 37.3% of poor children in the U.S. were Hispanic, compared with 30.5% white and 26.6% black.”

    “Hispanics now make up 16.3% of the total American population — but in the youth demographic, Hispanic kids comprise an even bigger share — 23.1% of U.S. children are Latino, the study said.”

    Get your checkbooks out! You supporters have got some writing to do. Here’s another fine mess you’ve gotten us into!

    • September 30th, 2011 at 07:39 | #18


      Were you addressing those comments to Elena and me? Why do you think WE have gotten you into a fine mess? Why should anyone not support ‘Hispanics?’ Are you using the term ‘Hispanic’ and ‘illegal’ inter-changeably?

      I expect the Hispanic community has been hit harder than other communities because of the number of Hispanics who were in the construction business. The building industry has just been crippled. Daddies are out of work. The kids of those daddies are thrown in to poverty.

  18. September 30th, 2011 at 07:51 | #19

    Cato, what’s with Silver Wheaton? They dumped about 10 bucks a share in a very short period of time. Might this be a good time to buy back in?

  19. Second Alamo
    September 30th, 2011 at 08:09 | #20

    For heaven sakes, do you truly believe that this “explosive growth” was a result of legal Hispanic immigration? YES, the majority of Hispanic and Illegal immigrants is interchangeable. What more information can you possibly need? Watch a few episodes of Border Wars to get a better understanding of the struggle. When most of the Hispanics at the 2007 BOCS meeting needed an interpreter just to convey where they lived, then I have to believe they weren’t naturalized citizens, but were most likely here illegally. Your “but how do you know they’re illegal” argument is wearing thin.

    • September 30th, 2011 at 08:16 | #21

      SA, I think you are taking a quantum leap there. I have watched border wars. If you plan on using Hispanic and illegal immigrant interchangeably you are going to end up embarrassing yourself.

      Let’s discuss that interpreter situation at the bocs meeting. I would not assume that those using an interpreter could not speak English. Are you comfortable speaking publically? Most people are not. Those willing to do it are much more comfortable speaking in their first language.

      As for citizens, you are aware that many people live in this country legally who are not citizens? I know lots of white people who are not citizens but legal residents.
      It can wear as thin as it wants. You have no idea who is here legally and who isn’t. You can bs and bluster all you want. That doesn’t make it so. How about those people here on a TPS visa? Can you pick them out of a crowd? SA, you are too much.

  20. Cato the Elder
    September 30th, 2011 at 11:34 | #22

    Moon-howler :
    Cato, what’s with Silver Wheaton? They dumped about 10 bucks a share in a very short period of time. Might this be a good time to buy back in?

    Winners get sold to meet liquidations. Silver is 100% pure speculation, every riverboat gambler hedge hog had a piece of that action. That said, this is a good spot to speculate but if it loses 29 bucks you need to skitter off the position ricki tick.

  21. cargosquid
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:31 | #23

    Sheriff calls ATF agents involved in Gun Walker scandal, “accomplices to murder”

    Hmmmm, can’t wait for charges to be filed…..


  22. cargosquid
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:37 | #24


    The next day, Muller received a call from the ATF asking him to come in for a meeting with all of his personal guns, which they insisted they had to authority to order, he said. Muller held his ground and refused to submit to the audit without first going through due process.

    “The ATF people were just as nice as can be. They were not mean or hateful—and finally I asked the lady on the phone: Don’t you have something better to do?” he said. He then re-explained that there were vouchers for guns and that no guns were being given away.

    “She said: ‘Let me tell you how important this is, the White House started their morning with a briefing on you. We got a call from Washington, D.C. this morning. They wanted you checked out,” he said.

    But the White House had no knowledge of Fast and Furious……ok, then.

    The ATF needs to be disbanded as a criminal organization.

  23. Big Dog
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:44 | #25


    Gov. Christie too heretical?

    His foot may not fit the glass slipper either.

  24. marinm
    October 2nd, 2011 at 07:13 | #26

    Apologies for the FoxNews link but I was having trouble finding another major news source that was covering the story.

    Assuming it’s true. Would the Rural Crescent fans want or not want this?


    I can see it now.

    Build, baby, build.

  25. Morris Davis
    October 2nd, 2011 at 09:00 | #27


    I saw the interview and it reminded me of the debate we were having on another post about where to set the boundaries on public expression by public employees. In any event, the investigation the Sheriff wants of AG Holder for violating treaty requirements on shipping arms should begin right after the investigation of former VP Cheney and others for violating domestic law and treaty obligations when they authorized and conducted torture.

  26. Morris Davis
    October 2nd, 2011 at 09:17 | #28

    The right goes into neo-convulsions laughing and applauding at this weekend’s Tea Party convention, TeaCon, when Andrew Breitbart calls House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi a “B*tch” and says Janeane Garofolo is a “sympathy f*ck.” Here’s a link to the video: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrew-breitbart-goes-on-tirade-against-bitch-nancy-pelosi-and-hollywood-sympathy-fck-janeane-garofalo/

    • October 2nd, 2011 at 09:45 | #29

      @Moe, ah, I saw that touch of class. You can always count on Breitbart for that lowest common denominator. He also told unions (generically I assume) to go F themselves. All those family values folks roared, squirmed and squealed with delight. It apparently was top entertainment.

  27. Slowpoke Rodriguez
    October 2nd, 2011 at 09:29 | #30

    Personally, I’d make Nancy Pelosi undisputed queen of the Democratic party and immediately make Garofolo Obama’s sole speech-writer. Those two vile creatures are a gift!

  28. Morris Davis
    October 2nd, 2011 at 09:41 | #31

    Article in today’s Washington Post on the 1,000+ acre ranch Rick Perry and his family rents and uses for hunting that was named a variation on the “N” word (no, “N” does not stand for Nazi). Perry realized that rock at the entry to the ranch that contained the “N” word name was a liability and, in keeping with the way many problems are handled, it was whitewashed to hide it. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/rick-perry-familys-hunting-camp-still-known-to-many-by-old-racially-charged-name/2011/10/01/gIQAOhY5DL_print.html

  29. Morris Davis
    October 2nd, 2011 at 09:51 | #32

    The verbal fight between Bristol Palin and a gay man that prompted claims Palin is a homophobe was “set up by the producers of her reality show,” says Bristol’s television co-star Kyle Massey, who is not happy about it. Massey feels it was a “little too convenient” that so many cameras were there to catch the fight. Massey believes the incident was set up, but that Bristol had no knowledge of it. Massey reportedly feels the Biography reality show is “sleazy” and that he signed for a scripted show, and not a reality show. After recently putting the Arizona home that she purchased last year on the market, Bristol moved in with her ‘Dancing With The Stars’ co-star Kyle Massey in L.A., prompting rumors that they are more than just friends. http://www.opposingviews.com/i/entertainment/bristol-palin-fight-gay-man-faked-reality-show

  30. Cato the Elder
    October 2nd, 2011 at 10:49 | #33

    President Zero says America has gone soft: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20113788-503544.html

    Interesting choice of words, given his rumored Low-T condition.

  31. Morris Davis
    October 2nd, 2011 at 11:28 | #34

    @Cato the Elder

    Speaking of an interesting choice of words, how about “Republicans Turned Off By Size of Obama’s Package.”


  32. Cato the Elder
    October 2nd, 2011 at 11:31 | #35


  33. October 2nd, 2011 at 13:28 | #36

    Who are these demonstrators? Are they kids?

  34. Ray Beverage
    October 2nd, 2011 at 15:13 | #37

    Moon, saw in the WaPo today how Jupiter will be dancing with the Moon this month…LOL!

    Hope the clouds stay away so folks can enjoy the show.

    • October 2nd, 2011 at 15:17 | #38

      I hope so too. Nice chilly crisp nights should do it! Remind us when it happens, Ray.

  35. Cato the Elder
    October 3rd, 2011 at 15:00 | #39

  36. Wolverine
    October 3rd, 2011 at 16:46 | #40

    Wonder if that bear does lap dances too.

  37. Big Dog
    October 3rd, 2011 at 16:53 | #41

    Feel like a salmon trying to swim upstream againist a strong current
    only to be snatched up and devoured by a huge bear. Another really bad day
    on the market with the old 401K still in the black, but not for very long if this keeps up.


    • October 3rd, 2011 at 16:59 | #42

      I don’t see much choice, Big Dog. I will stay the course…and not like it.

  38. Big Dog
    October 3rd, 2011 at 17:00 | #43

    Dow closes at lowest level since Sept. 2010.

    • October 3rd, 2011 at 17:05 | #44

      That is just sad. wahhhhhhh.

      You know I refused to look today. @big dog

  39. Big Dog
    October 3rd, 2011 at 17:53 | #45


    Three cheers for local governments!!

  40. Kelly3406
    October 3rd, 2011 at 20:42 | #46

    Did anyone see that Hank Williams, Jr got yanked from Monday Night Football for referring to Obama as Hitler? http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7056003/espn-pulls-hank-williams-jr-ready-opening-mnf

    Reminds me of the discussion in a recent thread about a teacher who referred to a Tea Party leader as a Nazi. But of course that was okay. The first amendment rights of teachers are more protected than anyone else’s.

    • October 3rd, 2011 at 22:28 | #47

      @Kelly, why would you say that? Who yanked him? Did the US govt come in and yank him? The NFL? The station? That makes a big difference.
      It sounds like it was an ESPN decision. That is their right. His right to say what he said. I can think of all sorts of people who have made public statements in the sports/entertainment industry who have not lived to tell about it. Dixie Chicks and Rush Limbaugh come to mind.

      The object of the derision also has a great deal to do with it. The teacher was was in a discussion with a nobody who said something he found objectionable. Hank Williams Jr.was referring to the president of the United States as Hitler/ He also didn’t leave it alone and he allowed the Foxies to set him up. Huge difference.

  41. clueless
    October 3rd, 2011 at 21:58 | #48

    Free speech??????? i think i missed something. Hank the Moron is geting paid for his song on MNF. There is nothing free about it and ESPN can act and protect its brand as it wishes (or are you against the free market as well?). FOX protects in bottom line and brand by spewing this free speech. Murdoch would change his tune if he was not making money.

  42. punchak
    October 4th, 2011 at 00:08 | #50

    I was truly amazed and bothered at the amount of time spent on the rock at Perry’s parents’ place in Texas. Is it really that important in the scheme of things?
    I don’t think much of Perry, but this rock has simply gotten to big in the news.
    And Cain is milking it for all it’s worth.

    What about jobs, war, Wall Street, etc. The media stinks, in this respect. They pick up ONE little thing and keept at it. Thank goodness I can watch BBC. (they were just as bad, though, as the US re the young woman on trial)

  43. Starryflights
    October 4th, 2011 at 02:07 | #51

    Occupying Wall Street, demanding accountabilityBy Alan Silverleib, CNN
    updated 10:00 PM EST, Mon October 3, 2011

    (CNN) — Hero Vincent has a dream: to see the titans of Wall Street trade their palatial office suites for a row of dank prison cells.

    The crime? Theft. Stealing billion-dollar, taxpayer-funded bailouts. Getting rich on your dime while you struggle to make ends meet.

    And if you’re tired of standing by while the rich get richer and the middle class crumbles, he has a suggestion: Take it to the streets.

    Vincent, 21 and unemployed, has suddenly become one of several unofficial spokesmen for Occupy Wall Street, a leaderless protest movement made largely of twenty-somethings upset with the state of the economy, the state of the war in Afghanistan, the state of the environment, and the state of America and the world in general.

    If that sounds vague, it’s meant to be. In less than three weeks, the movement has become a magnet for countless disaffected Americans. And at a time when an overwhelming majority of Americans say the country’s on


    Time to take our counmtry back!

  44. Morris Davis
    October 4th, 2011 at 05:38 | #52


    Rather than comparing Hank Jr. to that high-rolling public school teacher who spoke at a public forum the closer analogy is Gilbert Gottfried who was fired as the voice of the AFLAC duck after insensitive tweets about the tsunami in Japan (a place where AFLAC does business). In both instances it was corporapeople who made the choice out of concern for their profits which they depend since their money allows them to speak. It’s really a preserving speech decision if you think about it from the corporaperson perspective.

  45. October 4th, 2011 at 08:23 | #53


    I am unsure about the protesters. I don’t think they have articulated their message very well. They have let someone else do it for them.

  46. October 4th, 2011 at 08:26 | #54

    @Moe, oh dear God, you have me laughing. The AFLAC Duck? I think I have more respect for the duck than I do that Williams clown who comes across like an old drunken ignorant redneck.

  47. October 4th, 2011 at 08:26 | #55

    Sigh, waiting for someone to come along and call me a racist over rednecks.

  48. Cato the Elder
    October 4th, 2011 at 08:40 | #56


  49. Cargosuid
    October 4th, 2011 at 14:21 | #58

    Moon-howler :
    @Moe, ah, I saw that touch of class. You can always count on Breitbart for that lowest common denominator. He also told unions (generically I assume) to go F themselves. All those family values folks roared, squirmed and squealed with delight. It apparently was top entertainment.

    Hmmmm….I don’t remember Breitbart ever being a “family values” man. That attack is getting old.

    Will you equally condemn every instance of the left’s incivility or bad humor when they break their “why can’t we just be civil?” mantra?

    • October 4th, 2011 at 14:29 | #59

      @Cargo why do you ask? You know I can’t stand Brietbart. I think Breitbart is family values only when it suits actually.

      I don’t condemn every instance of the right’s incivility. Why should you expect me to hold every instance of the left’s incivility?

  50. Cargosuid
    October 4th, 2011 at 14:26 | #60

    Of course, Hank, Jr. DID NOT refer to Obama as Hitler. I saw that piece. The media are making it up.

    He compared a suggested outing between HIMSELF and Obama as likely as an outing together of Netanyahu and Hitler.

    Again, the media, INCLUDING FOX, commited knee jerk idiocy. Gretchen IMMEDIATELY had to distance FOX from his comments in case their were attributed to them. No one actually listened to and understood what he said.

  51. SlowpokeRodriguez
    October 4th, 2011 at 15:22 | #61

    Soooo, how’s the Obama-economy treating everyone’s portfolios these days :)

  52. Big Dog
    October 4th, 2011 at 18:08 | #62


    Give him hell Frank!!

    I’m proud you are my congressman.

  53. Ray Beverage
    October 4th, 2011 at 22:28 | #63

    Big Dog :http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/65104.html
    Give him hell Frank!!
    I’m proud you are my congressman.

    Frank Wolf sometimes makes me a bit flustered with his actions, but this one – drive on, Congressman Wolf!!! Rip some!!!

  54. cargsosquid
    October 5th, 2011 at 01:04 | #64


    Want to know why there are no jobs? Because the ones in charge believe this:

    “You don’t have some inherent right just to– you know, get a certain amount of profit.”
    – Barack Obama

    And, of course, HE’s the one that knows what’s fair.

    Here’s some other lines…..some outright lies…some idiotic. Infrastructure? What was that FIRST stimulus for?

    “Well, I don’t think they’re better off than they were four years ago. They’re not better off than they were before Lehman’s collapse, before the financial crisis– before this extraordinary recession we’re going through. I think that– what we’ve seen is that we’ve been able to make steady progress to stabilize the economy. ” (According to him, the recession ended already…..or did it? And what stabilization?)

    “And the American Jobs Act,…..Because what I’ve done is put forward what economists say can increase our growth by close to two percent and put 1.9 million people– ultimately back to work. ” (The same economists that said the same thing about the other stimulus bill? 8% unemployment, saved or created jobs, etc….1.9 million….really?)

    “GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: As you might have heard in the last hour, the Republican leader in the house, Eric Cantor, said he’s not going to schedule a clean bill– this all or nothing approach, he said, is unreasonable.

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: Well, look, what he needs to do is to tell us what exactly he’s for.” (Ummmm, he already has. There are bills already in the House. Maybe the President should worry about SENATE DEMOCRATS sponsoring the bill before worrying about Cantor.)

    “….the American people are gonna have the say about where we want to go, you know? They’re going to have a decision to make. And they’re going to say to themselves, “You know what? President Obama wanted to reduce the deficit by not only cutting spending, as he’s already done,…” (BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hahahhahaha whhhhoooooo….. as he’s already done? BWAHAHAHAHAHA!)

    “but also by making sure that– the most fortunate in our society are paying their fair share. That we’re closing corporate loopholes that small businesses don’t get” (Really? $200,000 income is rich? And two words. G. E.)

    GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: You might have a new issue on your plate over the weekend. Bank of America now is doing a $5 service fee for using your debit cards. …..”These are the types of things government should get involved in and (put a stop to..” Can you put a stop to that? (the DEMOCRATS caused this with the DURBIN Amendment in Dodd-Frank. Oops. But let’s blame the fiduciary responsibility of earning a profit, instead, like a true socialist.)

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: “And so– Well– what– what the banks are saying is– that “Rather than take a little bit less of a profit. Rather than paying multimillion dollar bonuses. Let’s treat our customers right.” And this is exactly why we need this consumer finance– protection bureau…” (Customers can’t just, you know, change banks. Apparently its wrong for the banks to make a profit on card transactions and if they can’t charge the merchant, they’ll charge the customer. Good thing Dubin decided to help Wal-Mart and the Retailers Association out by getting that law passed helping the little guy…..)

    On Solyndra: “You really held it up then as a model for jobs and clean energy. Do you regret that?”

    PRESIDENT OBAMA: No, I don’t, because if you look at the overall portfolio of loan guarantees that have been provided– overall, it’s doing well….It went through the regular review process. And people felt like this was a good bet. (A GOOD BET?! WTF? We lost half a BILLION dollars. $500,000,000. And its gone. With NO explanation. The execs took the 5th. YOU WERE TOLD THAT IT SUCKED! And not to do it. Even that evil capitalist Bush refused to loan them money.)

    (Then he says stupid stuff about battery manufacturing and the cars of the future…..and how much other countries are spending on “green energy” without mentioning that in every case, THOSE countries are getting OUT of it. Btw…Chevy Volt…$41,000. New Lexus Sport $37,000. Just sayin…..)

    “And said that every single American deserves to be treated equally in the eyes of the law. Is that possible without legal gay marriage?” (Uh…uh…uh….LOOK! A SQUIRREL!)

    Thought I’d bring a little analysis to the latest interview for y’all since I’ve been gone so long.

  55. Second Alamo
    October 5th, 2011 at 08:03 | #65

    Unfortunately Cargo, it will not penetrate the great wall of Obama. His supporters, although few in number, will tell you green is orange with a perfectly straight face if Obama proclaims it so.

  56. Emma
    October 5th, 2011 at 08:14 | #66

    What I would like to understand is what is the threshold of waste and abuse that will get those supporters’ attention? It’s interesting to read out there so many of their comments waving away the Solyndra $500 mil because of what they feel were the excesses of the Bush administration. Exactly what figure would make them stop waving and feel just a little outrage? Or does it have to rise past the level of the Bush-years war spending to get them to care?

  57. October 5th, 2011 at 08:26 | #67

    @Second Alamo

    SA you only wish there were a few.


    I suggest you not vote for Obama if you don’t like him. You aren’t going to sell us.

  58. October 5th, 2011 at 09:07 | #68

    Where is Pokie? I want to talk geek with him about iphone 4s.

  59. cargsosquid
    October 5th, 2011 at 14:38 | #69

    Not trying to sell you.

    Just shedding more light on incompetence. Personally I hope he DOESN’T get primaried. He’s easier to beat than another Democrat that won’t be blamed for these failed policies.

    • October 5th, 2011 at 16:02 | #70

      @Cargo, you only think that because you don’t hang out with moderates and liberals. Just who is it that you think can beat out Obama? First you have to have a candidate. You gotta sic Bachmann on Obama? Bwaaaaahahahahaha!!!

      And if you sic Romney on him, than all those who think Romney is a RINO will stay home.

      I wouldn’t be doing the victory lap yet.

  60. cargsosquid
    October 5th, 2011 at 14:39 | #71

    Btw, IF you WERE to vote for one of the Republicans, which would you like best? I predict Romney or Huntsman. And if Romney is the candidate, would you vote for him instead of Obama?

    • October 5th, 2011 at 15:59 | #72

      @Cargo, if that was directed at me, re Romney the answer is yes. I like Romney and Huntsman the best out of those others. Would I vote for Romey rather than Obama? I seriously doubt it, for 2 reasons. I don’t like his new stand on the social issues and after what I saw happen over the debt ceiling,, I would probably stay home from the polls before I voted Republican. That business was absurd and childish. It was a goose cooker with me.

  61. cargsosquid
    October 5th, 2011 at 14:41 | #73

    Here’s a great site on a variety of political topics.


    Here’s a good one that Morris might like.


  62. Dan Cooper
    October 5th, 2011 at 15:52 | #74

    Hold on…. going to change my IP and come back as someone else soon.

    Being censored just for your views on a site that started because of “being censored just for your views” on another site and that is “A Place for Civil Debate: not your typical ideologue blog”…. just as long as you agree with what I say and have the same ideologue type views, isn’t working.

    See ya soon as ??????

  63. SlowpokeRodriguez
    October 5th, 2011 at 18:00 | #75

    So the kiddies are going to skip class to protest…hey professors! Can you spell “F”?

    • October 5th, 2011 at 18:04 | #76

      Are we sure they are students? How many classes can they cut before an automatic F?

  64. Morris Davis
    October 5th, 2011 at 19:08 | #77

    Pew survey highlighting the civilian-military gap. One-half of one percent have served in uniform since 9/11. One in four of the general population say they pay attention to the decade-long wars we’ve been fighting.


  65. Slowpoke Rodriguez
    October 5th, 2011 at 19:14 | #78

    The idea is for the students to intentionally get up and leave during class and go out and protest over having to pay their student loans back.

    • October 5th, 2011 at 20:06 | #79

      Well that sounds sort of silly of them. Surely there is more to their protest than that?

      They have not broadcast their message well.

  66. Cato the Elder
    October 5th, 2011 at 19:42 | #80

    Breaking: Steve Jobs R.I.P.

    Travel well Steve.

  67. marinm
    October 5th, 2011 at 19:51 | #81

    Cato, beat me to the punch. Rest in peace, Mr. Jobs. You were a great visionary capitalist.

  68. Cato the Elder
    October 5th, 2011 at 20:02 | #82

    Statement by Steve Jobs’ Family PALO ALTO, Calif. –(BUSINESS WIRE)– October 05, 2011 —
    Steve Jobs’ family today made the following statement regarding his death:

    Steve died peacefully today surrounded by his family.
    In his public life, Steve was known as a visionary; in his private life, he cherished his family. We are thankful to the many people who have shared their wishes and prayers during the last year of Steve’s illness; a website will be provided for those who wish to offer tributes and memories.
    We are grateful for the support and kindness of those who share our feelings for Steve. We know many of you will mourn with us, and we ask that you respect our privacy during our time of grief.

    Statement from the Board of Directors:

    We are deeply saddened to announce that Steve Jobs passed away today.
    Steve’s brilliance, passion and energy were the source of countless innovations that enrich and improve all of our lives. The world is immeasurably better because of Steve.
    His greatest love was for his wife, Laurene, and his family. Our hearts go out to them and to all who were touched by his extraordinary gifts

    • October 5th, 2011 at 20:04 | #83

      There is Steve Jobs thread up now. Please put your comment there too.

      I feel like a huge chunk of humanity is missing.

  69. marinm
    October 5th, 2011 at 20:30 | #84


    Ok, I thought this was too funny not to share. +1 for the Wall Street people eating cake while the protest goes on.

    Only thing that could’ve been this even better would’ve been if they would’ve been throwing colored plastic beads down on them (and chocolate “gold” coins!)

    LOVE IT!

  70. Cato the Elder
  71. Cindy B
    October 5th, 2011 at 22:31 | #86

    Genthner – Marshall debate.


    Sorry if this has already been posted.

    RIP Steve Jobs.

  72. Starryflights
    October 6th, 2011 at 02:08 | #87

    Sarah Palin says she will not run for president
    By CHARLES BABINGTON – Associated Press | AP – 3 hrs ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) — Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin said Wednesday she will not run for president, leaving little doubt that the eventual Republican nominee will come from the current field of contenders.

    After months of leaving her fans guessing, Palin said in a statement that she and her husband Todd “devote ourselves to God, family and country.” She said her decision maintains that order.



  73. Morris Davis
    October 6th, 2011 at 08:21 | #88

    Article from Stars & Stripes:

    Tomorrow marks the 10th year since the start of the Afghanistan War. The Iraq War began two and half years later. In that time more than 2.2 million troops have deployed to a war zone – 42 percent of whom have gone at least twice.

    Here’s how some of the impact of a decade of war shakes out by the numbers as of September, according to VA and DoD data compiled by Veterans for Common Sense through a series of Freedom of Information Act requests.

    – 6,211 dead

    – 45,889 wounded in action

    – 367,749 veterans with a mental health condition

    – 1,442,987 million veterans eligible for VA healthcare, but only about half have been treated.

    – 9,700 new patients at the VA each month, on average

    – 624,266 veterans who have filed a disability claim

    – 107,718 veterans with an approved PTSD claim, about 17 percent of total claims

    – 2,293 active-duty suicides since January 2001, including 298 war-zone suicides

    The veterans group estimates that by Dec. 31, 2013 – a year before all combat forces will be pulled out of Afghanistan — there will be almost a million new veteran claims at the VA.

  74. cargsosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 08:44 | #89

    If you know a vet, make sure that he knows to REGISTER with the VA. Even if they got out long ago.

  75. Starryflights
    October 6th, 2011 at 09:25 | #90

    42% of Democrats agree with Occupy Wall Street (77% of Republicans do)
    October 6, 2011 by Don Surber

    UPDATE: Rasmussen has released more polling data this morning that shows that Republicans are even harsher critics of Wall Street than the Occupy Wall Street crowd.

    77% of Republicans say it was a “Bad Idea To Provide Bailout Funding to Banks And other Financial Institutions.”

    Only 42% of Democrats agree.

    Isn’t that the whole reason (well, stated reason) for this Astroturfed uprising?

    Among investors, 72% agree that “Most of the Bailout Money Go To The People Who Created the Economic Crisis.”

    Only 63% of the non-investors do.

    In other words, the protest of the Tea Party crowd is closer to the occupiers than those phonies in the media and in the Obama administration who defend and promote this protest. Kick back and watch the liberals hoist themselves on this petard.


  76. Rick Bentley
    October 6th, 2011 at 15:15 | #91

    “Or does it have to rise past the level of the Bush-years war spending to get them to care?”

    Bush probably did help to innure the public to waste, deficit spending, recklessness, and incompetance.

    So … now we know that we can each be executed if and when a secret panel decides so, with no judge or jury trial? Does this bother anyone else?

  77. Cargosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 15:49 | #92

    @Rick Bentley
    You beat me to it.


    “n an ironic turn, Obama, who ran for president denouncing predecessor George W. Bush’s expansive use of executive power in his “war on terrorism,” is being attacked in some quarters for using similar tactics. They include secret legal justifications and undisclosed intelligence assessments.”

    So….is the HOPE or the CHANGE?

  78. Cargosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 15:50 | #93

    Oops. Is this the HOPE or the CHANGE?

    Fixed it. Read, edit, THEN submit.

  79. Cargosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 15:51 | #94

    Did the gravatars die? Mine looks like a reject from the SPACE INVADERS game. Though the pink is very becoming.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…..

  80. punchak
    October 6th, 2011 at 18:03 | #96

    @Cato the Elder

    Yea, after we die, we are faultless.

    I’d love to be at my own memorial service, should there be such, so I could
    hear how great I was in life.

  81. October 6th, 2011 at 18:24 | #97

    @punchak, and who is to say you won’t be….?

  82. Cargosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 19:32 | #98

    Spell check my email…Hmmm…I see other gravatars acting up too.

    Aha! email spelled wrong. At least, though, the site remembered me this time.


  83. Cargosquid
    October 6th, 2011 at 19:33 | #99

    Yay! I’m back in all my squiddly glory.

    Yes, I know its an octopus.

  84. October 7th, 2011 at 09:32 | #100

    Does anyone know someone who wants or needs a giveaway hospital bed in good condition?

    Who takes this sort of thing? My friend’s aunt died and it seems like this bed would be a good giveaway.

  85. Pat.Herve
    October 7th, 2011 at 09:54 | #101

    Can we somehow get rid of the notion that a high income earner is a job creator? Sure, some high income earners are job creators, but so are some lower income people too. Those small business owners often do not make large salaries, as the income from there small business is plowed right back into the business. Also, when you look at many companies, the very highly/overly paid CEO is often laying people off, instead of creating those jobs.

    • October 7th, 2011 at 10:00 | #102

      Totally agree Pat. That term ‘job creator’ is just BS to protect the 1-2% of the wealthiest.

  86. Cargosquid
    October 7th, 2011 at 11:03 | #103

    So, how much of their income or assets should be taxed?

    50%? 60%? 90%? Should there be tax shelters like in the 50’s and 60’s?

    How would higher taxes help, when the President wants to add billions to the deficit right after we had a huge fight trying to figure out how to CUT the deficit?

    Higher taxes do not pay for ANYTHING if we keep ADDING to the spending. So, lets cut spending FIRST, THEN we can talk about raising taxes to actually PAY for something. Because everytime we try to “raise revenue” we add more spending programs on top of the programs that tax increase was created to pay for.

    And since we can’t just tax the non-job creators, we WILL tax the job creators. If Buffett or Obama feels that the rich need to pay more taxes, let them go first. They are both rich. They can cut a check…oh, wait. Buffett has been fighting a $1 billion tax bill for years. Why hasn’t he paid that? He can afford it. Heck, he can afford it out of his personal fortune.

    If we MUST have an income tax…. low FLAT tax, no exemptions. Start taxing all income over a poverty level.

  87. October 7th, 2011 at 12:10 | #104

    How about just going back to the Clinton taxation brackets for the upper 2%? Seems fair to me. I think 50% is way too much.

    There are also some other tax tweaks that could be done. Mortgage deductions over a million could also be discontinued. Capital gains over a million could be considered differently also.

    Hedge funders could have to follow the same tax codes that mutual funders have to go by.

  88. October 7th, 2011 at 12:11 | #105

    PS I dont even look when I see the words ‘Buffett’ and ‘cut a check.’ Don’t be absurd.

  89. Cargosquid
    October 7th, 2011 at 12:43 | #106

    Actually, I don’t have a problem with your ideas on taxes if we FIRST cut spending. Otherwise, any tax increases are wasted and will be used for increased spending.

    Why don’t you look when Buffett and cut a check are mentioned. He is in a fight with the IRS right now for taxes. He’s fighting tooth and nail. He’s a hypocrite. He uses the tax laws to increase his business. He loves the inheritance taxes. A large amount of his business is insuring rich people to cover those taxes and he has acquired business that had been privately owned but couldn’t pay those taxes without liquidating the business.

    He’s brilliant. But he’s a hypocrite. And now he’s walked back the Buffett plan by stating that he was only talking about the “hyper rich” with 10 million in assets/income.

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