34 thoughts on “Vive la France!

  1. Wolve

    The “bloody standard” has been most certainly raised again. The last time Paris was locked down like this was in 1944.

    1. Its also the worst terrorism since WWII.

      It’s horrible. I can’t watch the news any more.

  2. Lyssa

    Just awful. The World Trade Tower in NYC is lit blue, white and red.

  3. Starry flights

    Thoughts and prayers with the French people.

  4. Cargosquid

    I have no words other than Vive Le France. My thoughts are NOT fit for public exposure.

  5. Scout

    My older daughter is something of a music junkie living in Seattle. In fact she has her own band that is gaining some notoriety. She had just heard the band that was playing in Paris a few weeks ago in Seattle and was very impressed with them.

    1. Very neat!!! Please email me some details on HER band so I can look for her music.

  6. Emma

    I imagine the people of Paris could teach the Mizzou kids a thing or two about what a “safe space” means. That all seems even more ridiculously trivial now, and I hope they all just go away now so we can focus our thoughts on what really matters.

    Lots of anxiety yesterday after getting a goodbye text message from a family member just as they were boarding their plane to Europe last night, and then the news breaking about five minutes later. They’re at their destination and fine now.

    1. I am glad your family is safe, Emma.

  7. So how do the European countries show humanitarian concern over refugees and at the same time not let in terrorists?

    Difficult call.

    I would be closing those borders so fast….but not saying that is the best response. It is just instinctive.

  8. Wolve

    Lesson to be learned…NOW! Initial reports are that at least two of the dead attackers were processed as Syrian refugees through the Greek island of Leros. One of them even had a Syrian passport on his body.

    1. A couple were home grown also. So what do you do? I have no answers.

      I would be doing a lot of target practice with known ISIS groups…me and my drones.

  9. Jackson Bills

    Moon-howler :

    A couple were home grown also. So what do you do? I have no answers.

    One thing I wouldn’t do….

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/europe/us-to-increase-admission-of-refugees-to-100000-in-2017-kerry-says.html?_r=0

    1. Do you just let people die? Are you broad-brushing all of these refugees as “terrorists”

      I think we need a better vetting system. I don’t know how you do that with displaced people.

      They are totally screwed, it seems like. ISIS destroys their countries, kills many of them, then goes out and kills in other countries so these people are becoming pariahs. Where is the balance? I just don’t believe in allowing people to lie there pounding the “entrances” to this country.

  10. Steve Thomas

    @Moon-howler

    “I would be doing a lot of target practice with known ISIS groups…me and my drones.”

    Hasn’t this been the “go-to” for this administration? When this was insufficient to deal with the threat, they put actual manned aircraft in the sky, also with very limited results. We’ve tried training “moderates” in the region, which has been reported as a dismal failure. We’ve given arms and ammo to “moderate groups” and about the only group that has had any impact is the Peshmerga in Kurdistan.

    This admistration has decided on limited use of “special ops” further demonstrating an unwillingness to set about the ugly business of warfighting, choosing instead a sanitized apporach.

    This administration has consistiently underestimated the threat ISIS poses, and ISIS has regularly demonstrated it is neither a “JayVee” organization, nor has it been “degraded ” or “contained”.

    “Lead from behind” (a preposterous notion to anyone who has led troops in war or peace) hasn’t worked either. It simply created a leadership vaccuum, into which the Russians have stepped.

    But the bigget challenge now is ISIS has demonstrated the capability to engage in asymetric warfare outside of the Caliphate. As “refugees” flood into Europe, and are being imported and dispersed within our own borders, these attacks will happen with increasing frequency, and growing sophistication. We have an enemy, and we are at war. The problem is so few currently responsbible for the security of our nation are willing admit this. When the inevitable happens, will they be held to account? I guess history will judge.

    1. France seems to understand it is at war. I am waiting for them to bring out the daisy cutters. Perhaps they have.

  11. Steve Thomas

    @Moon-howler
    France has pretty much been the only Western nation confronting Islamic terrorists in Africa. I’m sure the Legion has been pretty busy.

    1. Is that was why France was targeted, do you suppose?

  12. Jackson Bills

    Moon-howler :

    Do you just let people die? Are you broad-brushing all of these refugees as “terrorists”
    I think we need a better vetting system. I don’t know how you do that with displaced people.

    Let me see if I can break down your response….

    Q: Do you just let people die?
    A: No, you do something about it…. remember ‘red lines’ and all?

    Q: Are you broad-brushing all of these refugees as “terrorists”?
    A: Not at all. It is the ones you do not broad-brush as “terrorists” that count, just ask France.

    Statement: I think we need a better vetting system. I don’t know how you do that with displaced people.

    Response: You just proved my point… we admit that we do not have a vetting system in place to vet 10 refugees yet we announce we are going to accept 100,000 per year? We are just announcing to ISIS (what President Obama refers to as ISIL) that you have a good chance to slip dozens of fighters into the US, the ultimate target.

    1. I said *I* don’t know. That proves nothing. It isn’t my job to know.

      Just for the record, don’t you think radicalized Muslims are already here as well as in every other country?

      Actually, your tone and attitude suck today.

  13. Jackson Bills

    ISIS has already announced that the next target is Washington DC. As someone who works in Washington DC I take exception to President Obama and John Kerry saying they are going to accept 100,000 ‘refugees’ into the United States.

    My building is in very close proximity to several three letter intelligence agencies. I am disturbed by this. I do not want to get blown up or shot because the President wants to help refugees of a crisis his foreign policy created.

    1. You are really broad-brushing all refugees. Do you just want them to die?

      We could have said the same things about the Jews during WWII. In fact, we did. Look what happened. Let’s face it, anyone can get in this country if they want to badly enough.

  14. Steve Thomas

    @Jackson Bills

    There are press reports that claim some will be, or are, settled in Burke VA.

  15. Steve Thomas

    @Jackson Bills
    “My building is in very close proximity to several three letter intelligence agencies. I am disturbed by this. I do not want to get blown up or shot because the President wants to help refugees of a crisis his foreign policy created.”

    I think you are likely safe in that area. Judging from the choice of targets thus far, I’d say they will target something softer, like a sporting event, a mall, or a school.

  16. Steve Thomas

    @Moon-howler

    “We could have said the same things about the Jews during WWII. In fact, we did.”

    I must have been out that day when my history professors covered the various acts of terror committed byradical Jews, which would have warranted the unreasonable opposition to the US accepting refugees.

    Are these Yazidis or Christians…folks who are experiencing actual persecution by ISIS? Are they Ba’ath associates who might find themselves without their heads, should ISIS get ahold of them?

    1. If we had let any Jews in during the war, Germans could have easily infiltrated with them. How hard would it be to find a Jewish looking German sympathizer?

      In fact, I have heard that was one of the excuses given for not allowing people to come in.

      There is just something fundamentally wrong with assuming that everyone who is Muslim is a terrorist. It’s sort of like assuming that everyone Japanese was an agent of Japan. I am just not comfortable with that line of thinking. There are ways to offer refuge.

  17. Steve Thomas

    @Moon-howler
    Yes, there are ways. Back when Saddam went after the Kurds, we evacuated a bunch to Guam and Gitmo. I was part of the Guam operation. It was temporary, and controlled. Most were repatriated after the crisis ebbed. This administration is proposing is permanent resettlement on the mainland, where a potential terrorist agent can “disappear”. If we have to take them, take them to K-bay on Hawaii, Rosey Rhodes Puerto Rico, or Adack Alaska, until they are completely vetted.

    1. As long as they are in a humane environment, that seems reasonable.

      We also have home grown terrorists or terrorists legally living here. Then there are the Americans that are joining ISIS.

      I don’t have answers and I do have mixed feelings. I am almost never binary on issues…almost never.

  18. Lyssa

    We must decrease our use of oil. New habits. Less dependence. Doesn’t mean we should dig up more wells – seriously adjust lifestyles.

  19. Steve Thomas

    Lyssa :
    We must decrease our use of oil. New habits. Less dependence. Doesn’t mean we should dig up more wells – seriously adjust lifestyles.

    France has a much lower dependence on oil, than do we. They also don’t have any domestic stocks, relying instead on Nuclear power for much of their needs, Russian natural gas and oil are their primary imported energy.

    A lack of dependence on ME oil didn’t seem to help the French avoid being targeted by terrorists.

  20. Cargosquid

    @Lyssa
    Great! Build more nuclear plants. As for “adjusting lifestyles?” Please tell me how we do that as a society? Most of our oil is domestic and/or comes from Canada and Mexico.

    Oil has NOTHING to do with this.

  21. Getting tired of hearing that this isn’t the time for hate. Oh yea it is.

    I hate religious zealots.

  22. @Cargosquid

    Perhaps oil has nothing to do with this latest killing directly, but indirectly…you better believe you can follow the bread crumbs right back to oil.

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