25 thoughts on “The Great Debate #1

  1. Starryflights

    Hillary Clinton had a very good night. Trump came across as rude, crude, unattractive and unprepared.

    1. I don’t disagree, Starry. He interrupted, made faces, and gave her the stink eye. She came across as knowledgeable and prepared.

  2. Steve Thomas

    I don’t think either had a successful night. Same Trump showed up. Same Clinton showed up. Neither did or said anything that would pull in undecideds.

    If anyone lost, it was Lester Holt. Really, those debate moderators can’t win. Someone will find fault with their performance, count the number of times they asked follow-ups to this candidate or that one.

    Sad, really. This is the best this country can produce?

    1. Robin Hood

      Trump bored us with longwinded, incoherent streams of unconsciousness. He interrupted repeatedly and showed less discipline than an elementary school bully. So how can anyone blame the moderator for letting Trump be Trump?

      @Steve Thomas

    2. Starryflights

      @Steve Thomas What debatevwere you watching?

  3. Ed

    Reality TV at it’s best. Entertaining! I thought it interesting that the only names Trump came up with to blame for the end-of-civilization-as-we-know-it is Clinton, Yellen and Obama. Two women and a black. Letting a Black steal the presidency started us on the path to ruin. Now the women are taking over. Run for the hills. The end is nigh! The hordes of Mexi-goths and Muslim-goths are at our gates to destroy the great American empire because we are letting the staff and womenfolk run the place. He could barely force himself to say that he would respect the will of the people if a woman beat him.

  4. NorthofNokesville

    Slow in responding, sorry…

    I think HRC won, but not decisively. She’s very polished, almost too polished, so her answers come off memorized versus considered. The “fair share” argument always resonates, but it never works in practice… the 1% get targeted, but the 10% or more suffer. By and large, HRC hit on safe issues, scored a few points, and let Trump blather. Well-played overall.

    And blather he did. Boasting about not paying federal taxes… come on, Donald, that was a self-inflicted wound. Lots of other examples. And he kept saying “temperament” while kinda showing he didn’t have it.

    All that said, I think the tightening in Florida, PA, Ohio is more of a story. Still feels like a news event or other revelation will be material versus current trends in support.

    1. Most of his wounds are very self inflicted, for sure.

  5. NorthofNokesville

    Just read this via Feedly….

    “That’s the real issue this time,” he said. “Beating Nixon. It’s hard to even guess how much damage those bastards will do if they get in for another four years.”

    The argument was familiar, I had even made it myself, here and there, but I was beginning to sense something very depressing about it. How many more of these goddamn elections are we going to have to write off as lame, but “regrettably necessary” holding actions? And how many more of these stinking double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote for something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?

    Now with another one of these big bogus showdowns looming down on us, I can already pick up the stench of another bummer. I understand, along with a lot of other people, that the big thing this year is Beating Nixon. But that was also the big thing, as I recall, twelve years ago in 1960 – and as far as I can tell, we’ve gone from bad to worse to rotten since then, and the outlook is for more of the same.

    …. from Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on Campaign Trail ’72

  6. When is the Trump campaign going to close out that fool’s twitter account so he will stop the self-inflicted wounds?

    While we are on the topic of fools, some fool thinks that women who are cheated on shouldn’t fight back. Most people have angry reactions to “the other person” when infidelity is an issue.

  7. Starryflights

    Clinton is now beating Trump in 5 must-win battleground states

    By David K. Li and Bob Fredericks

    http://nypost.com/2016/09/29/clinton-is-now-beating-trump-in-5-must-win-battleground-states/

    Polls show Clinton kicked Trump’s butt big time.

    1. NorthofNokesville

      @Starryflights

      Polls can be funny things in isolation, so I look at aggregate measures.

      Iowa Electronic markets: HRC reversed Trumps gaining ground but has not recovered fully from her decline that started ~6 weeks ago. Overall, her odds of winning are back at 70%. Advantage: HRC.

      RCP National Poll Average: Her spread has dropped about 0.8 over last few days, but is still 2+ points and better than her Sept 18 low of +0.9%. Advantage: HRC.

      RCP Electoral Map: More states are slipping into toss-up category from leans Dem. Her EV count is as low as it has been since RCP started tracking. Advantage: mild Donald.

      Net: I think she did win, impact has been real but moderate in practice, outcome still TBD. Race remains subject to future performance and outside events.

  8. Pat.Herve

    Trump was not prepared. He figured he was going to another Pep Rally for his campaign and was not as sharp as he could have been. He was winging it.

    Clinton – looked prepared and had answers.

    I still think Trump is going to be our next President.

    1. Robin Hood

      “You can fool some of the people all of the time. You can fool all of the people some of the time. But you can’t fool all of the people all of the time.” Abraham Lincoln

      Trump’s going down!

      @Pat.Herve

    2. I truly hope you are wrong, Pat. I think he is reckless and unprepared at best, malevolent and evil at worst.

  9. Scout

    My sister’s high school students watched the debate and are now referring to Hillary as “Preparation H”

    1. Robin Hood

      And Trump must be the class clown!

      @Scout

      1. Perhaps just the pain in the ass.

  10. NorthofNokesville

    Politically, we are trapped in the DC Comics universe.

    And our choice is Two-Face versus Joker.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2016/09/28/20161001_choose.jpg

  11. Robin Hood

    SNL got it right, especially with Larry David doing Bernie in the Family Feud skit where he compares voting for Hillary to taking prune juice. “It’s not appetizing, but if you don’t your system will be clogged for a long time.”

    1. NorthofNokesville

      @Robin Hood

      Respectfully RH, I think SNL got it exactly backwards. HRC seems analogous to eating more bread and starch, with the resultant bloating and constipation. More of the same, just worse health and less agility. Trump could be the, er… opposite. Like eating a barrel full of acai. You might end up losing weight, gaining energy, and cleaning out some pipes. Or you just end up covered in … and doubled over in pain.

      1. Robin Hood

        Trump went on a week long rant about Miss Universe 1996. If he gets the nuclear codes we’re doomed. He goes crazy when anyone hurts his feelings.

        Deplorables need to grow up and stop blaming minorities for their problems!

        @NorthofNokesville

      2. NorthofNokesville

        @Robin Hood

        He’s losing the plot. Poll and EC spreads increasing, odds dropping. Some other canaries in the coalmine – state/local races. That picture was getting very rosy for GOP. Now the gains are stagnating. And look locally – some hefty ego wagons hitched to Trump are reverting to form.

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